Another school shooting in the US
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Soldato
Hardly comparable to 21st century America.
Northern Ireland is still in the UK because of the Larne gun running and the formation of the Ulster Volunteers in the early 1900s when the British government tried to pass the home rule bill. Thousands of rifles were brought into the country and millions of rounds of ammunition (mostly from Germany, where a few years later they'd use the guns against the Germans) in the Larne gun running. The British then set the Navy on patrol around Ireland to stop more guns getting in, but the Irish Volunteers who were formed to make sure the home rule bill was passed managed to get in over a thousand rifles and a load of ammunition too with the Howth gun running. Those weapons also found their way to Germany where ironically, the 16th Irish Division and 36th Ulster Division formed by the irish and ulster volunteers fought side by side against the Germans.
The British and IRA then fought the war of independence after WW1 and the Irish Free State was formed with the signing of the Anglo-Irish treaty which lead to the partition.
Many volunteered to fight for the government in an insurgency with the signing of the Ulster Covenant in 1912, which was celebrated 100 years since in September. Many joined home regiments of the British army and many served in the police from the RIC, to the RUC, to the PSNI today.
Using NI or any other country that's fighting a civil war isn't really fair anyway, as it's been a while since America had a civil war. Of course, it would be a different story if you were arguing the case for Mexico.
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Apologies - Problem is some peoples' views are amazingly comparible to others sarcasm!
Why? Because they have starbucks and facebook?
There are millions of Americans openly calling for secession of the red states from the blue states. The demographics have gone over the event horizon there's no way to satisfy the red states through voting anymore. Voting has been the /dev/null to stop a culture war turning in to a shooting war and now it's gone. I give it 20 years max before civil war II. Possibly much earlier. I can see the starts of things going sour right now for example a liberal newspaper published a map with the addresses of all the gun permit holders in 3 NY counties. So the conservatives have started published their own map with the addresses of liberal journalists/publishers. This is how these things start.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/14/opinion/bennett-gop-election/index.html
Yeah it's not like he would have just bought some fireworks and pipes and killed a bunch of people in a brixton pub. That could never happen.
Soldato
Soldato
A lot of those are legit shootings^^^ 
What's your point?
What's your point?
A good post, by kwerk?! How, just how?!
Oh wait, yes the Police have gotten away with murder over and over again, yes ACAB and what not, yes heads need to role but don't, but that has nothing to do with what you are posting about.
Caporegime
Got any proof to back up that statement in regards to any of those events listed by Kwerk?
A lot of those are legit shootings^^^
What's your point?
I should have edited the list but my point is a lot of them are not good shoots. Like shooting people in the back, shooting a naked man in bed, it looks like a lot are either pure negligence or trigger happiness.
In a lot of those cases the official verdicts are pretty much "yes we the Police messed up, no we are not going to hold anyone accountable"
Caporegime
How's shooting someone in the back not a good shot? He was holding something that by all intents and purposes was a gun to somebody's head.
And Hurfdurf, I'll take your last statement as a no, you don't have any proof and are throwing around spurious allegations. Messing up is not murder. Murder is a premeditated intent to kill someone.
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Soldato
You're forgetting that a majority of people over there (currently) want to remain part of the UK... the Army was initially sent in to protect the Catholic population from unionist violence... more arms works both ways - what do you think would have happened a few decades ago during the time that Catholics were being oppressed if various unionist groups had access to thousands of assault rifles? Perhaps another civil war, a big migration of people to the Irish Republic... it wouldn't be a particularly nice result.
requires a bit more effort and planning though
tis not like someone can simply buy a pipe bomb, no one is saying people don't get murdered over here - we're just pointing out that your country has some silly laws that allow even more gun murders to occur.
Soldato
That's quite sensationalist and hardly going to happen, ever. You love to sensationalise. What is the most likely to happen is that NOTHING like this will occur, and life will plod along like it usually does.
It's funny how in the last few decades the world has suddenly been about to end a hundred times over and "the world has suddenly gone mad". It has always been mad, it's just that people love a bit of drama.
Yeah, because that happens just as often as a school massacre in the US
Peace in our time!
NOM8, its not a no is it. The proof has been found and published.
They shot Jean Charles de Menezes they didn't premeditate it or intend to kill him? He just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time? Why then fire seven bullets into his head at point blank range and why follow him and shoot him at all?
Why lie about telling him to stop? Why cover it up?
The Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC) launched two investigations, Stockwell 1 and Stockwell 2. Stockwell 1, the findings of which were initially kept secret, concluded that none of the officers would face disciplinary charges. Stockwell 2 strongly criticised the police command structure and communications to the public, bringing pressure on the Metropolitan Police Commissioner Sir Ian Blair to resign. In July 2006
There is the evidence, but no one was held acountable.