Will God accept you if you renounce religion?

Naffa said:
Saying that 'religion does not suppress science' is a blanket statement, whereas saying 'religion does suppress science' is not. Saying the former is an absolute, whereas the latter does not imply that all religion suppresses all science, all of the time. This appears to be remarkably difficult to grasp..
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It's not difficult to grasp..it is simply flawed, neither are absolute statements or both are..it depends on the context and clarification in which such statements are used.

Glaucus was not making a blanket statement of absolutism, he was stating a particular truth as has been explained and clarified several times now. Glaucus went on to explain that Religion in isolation doesn't suppress science, it takes a particular politic to do that, and also that it doesn't suppress science insomuch as it is sometimes in opposition to a particular aspect of research. If we consider the whole and assume it to be contextually a blanket statement, he is still not incorrect as his clarification illustrates.
 
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Castiel said:
John 3:21 "But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God."

Do you need belief in God to Sin?, in fact does simply holding a belief in God guarantee Salvation?..if it does then that means even Satan is guaranteed Salvation. When exegeted without bias the New Testament only has one absolute requirement for Salvation...and that is the Forgiveness of God. Salvation through Christ is but one way to accomplish this, but not the only one.
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I never said simply believing in Jesus gets you into heaven. Far from it. Jesus himself said many who call him Lord won't be going to heaven. But the scriptures are pretty clear that whoever denies the Son is not of God. To say that Christ is one of many ways completely undermines Christianity. Jesus said he is the way, the truth and life so this doesn't leave much scope for man to achieve salvation via other routes. If man can achieve salvation through various ways then what is the point of Christs death?

As that most well known verse goes: "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life."
 
hurfdurf said:
You are getting schooled very very hard on the book that you use to justify your pathetic delusions by Castiel, how embaressing it should be for you, alas I am guessing your mental illness renders things like embarrassment obsolete.

Never mind how glaringly foolish a book it is to use to live your life by considering how awfully flawed it is.
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So are all those theologians who study scripture mentally ill? Muppet.

I have a major in philosophy so I'm no fool. I am by the worlds standards an educated man.
 
Jason2 said:
I never said simply believing in Jesus gets you into heaven. Far from it. Jesus himself said many who call him Lord won't be going to heaven. But the scriptures are pretty clear that whoever denies the Son is not of God. To say that Christ is one of many ways completely undermines Christianity. Jesus said he is the way, the truth and life so this doesn't leave much scope for man to achieve salvation via other routes. If man can achieve salvation through various ways then what is the point of Christs death?

As that most well known verse goes: "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life."
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There is the rub....the word Denies. The point of Christ's death was to atone for the sins of ALL mankind and usher in the second Covenant...it was Gods sacrifice to mankind, not Man's sacrifice to God. Jesus was not saying that HE (as in personally) was the way, but the teachings he preached were the way....for the Pharisees to deny Jesus being The Christ means they also deny the message he brings. However that doesn't automatically make salvation absolutely dependent on belief in the divinity of Christ...only that someone follows the tenets that he preached, and that can be done without specific belief in God or the divinity of Christ. The only constant requirement in the New Testament is the Forgiveness of God, and that is consistent with both Trinitarian and non-Trinitarian interpretations of Scripture.
 
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Castiel said:
Glaucus went on to explain that Religion in isolation doesn't suppress science, it takes a particular politic to do that, and also that it doesn't suppress science insomuch as it is sometimes in opposition to a particular aspect of research.
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Which is... Wrong. :p I don't accept that there is such a thing as 'religion in isolation', whatever that might mean. Consider the actions of religious institutions and people within the polity, society or economy, of course. Making the distinction does nothing but muddy the waters.

But, if you want to sit back and talk about religion in some abstract seminar somewhere, then we can do that. I don't know what the benefit would be, though.
 
So I can say all labour supporters are evil, war faring liyng idiots then? Oh wait that doesn't make any sense to clump them altogether, so why do you do it for religion? You have to muddy the waters, or every group is the same, is that because its human nature and when humans are in religions, politics or any other group they taint itno where in labours manifesto does it say we will lie and go to war, just like in religious text does it say we have to ban science.
 
Religion is all fine for those of the weak minded, but for those who have brains can see that religion is a joke, but believing in faith is good.

This was from a friend of mine whos a christian but i never understood the difference between the two as both go hand in hand.

im not religious, now watch the hatred come from those who say they are religious lol
 
Atheists are as bad as religious fanatics. Always see the bad. Won't ever see them talking to the people whose lives have been changed by religion. People who were down and out and are now prospering helping their own community. Yup, religion is bad folks. We're all evil. Kill us all!
 
Snomad said:
Religion is all fine for those of the weak minded, but for those who have brains can see that religion is a joke, but believing in faith is good.

This was from a friend of mine whos a christian but i never understood the difference between the two as both go hand in hand.

im not religious, now watch the hatred come from those who say they are religious lol
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I'm probably more educated than you so how can you call people who believe in God stupid? If you're gonna call people stupid at least be able to use proper grammar.
 
StriderX said:
I think every single Einstein quote has been butchered for anyone's bias.

Just stop using it, honestly.
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I wasn't using it to really argue for a particular side, I just thought it an interesting quote :)

Jason2 said:
I'm probably more educated than you so how can you call people who believe in God stupid? If you're gonna call people stupid at least be able to use proper grammar.
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Well, if you're going to be pedantic about grammar, surely it should be:

can you call people who believe in God "stupid"?
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:p
 
Naffa said:
Which is... Wrong. :p I don't accept that there is such a thing as 'religion in isolation', whatever that might mean. Consider the actions of religious institutions and people within the polity, society or economy, of course. Making the distinction does nothing but muddy the waters.
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It means the spiritual aspects of religion when stripped of the political and cultural influences imposed upon it.

In any case, we obviously disagree, In my opinon Religion doesn't suppress Science in the broad sense that you seemed to imply by opposing Glaucus' clarified statement and that the Conflict Thesis that you are trying to impart above is considered outdated and flawed as it is based largely on misconceptions and fallacies such as the Flat -Earth myth and so on...it is, as are all organisations religious and secular in which ethics or politics are a consideration, in conflict with certain avenues of research, not with Science itself.
 
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Jason2 said:
Atheists are as bad as religious fanatics. Always see the bad. Won't ever see them talking to the people whose lives have been changed by religion. People who were down and out and are now prospering helping their own community. Yup, religion is bad folks. We're all evil. Kill us all!
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Personally I think that these people would have prospered if they had been given anything to believe in. Religion always gets there first as it's so engrained into society. Personally I feel giving these people a lie to believe in for the rest of their life isn't the healthiest practice but whatever.

There's no reasoning with religious fanatics such as yourself, you believe that a great creator chose Earth, the tiniest of specs of sand in a vast universe to place his son and that only those who reside here can have the chance to believe in him and thus be accepted into 'heaven'. Has an educated man such as yourself ever pondered the vastness of the cosmos? or wondered how it is we came to be the chosen birthplace of the great almighty?
 
Jason2 said:
So are all those theologians who study scripture mentally ill? Muppet.

I have a major in philosophy so I'm no fool. I am by the worlds standards an educated man.
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Where did I say that? Infact if anything I compared you to Casteil who himself is a theologian so how did you even stumble into your flawed interpretation of what I said I do not know.

Ah yes, an educated man, so much so that you cannot grasp the simple concept of someone like yourself who believes in their delusions in comparison to someone who studies them but doesn't believe in them or the stupid and heavily flawed book that spawned them in the first place.
 
Jason2 said:
I'm probably more educated than you so how can you call people who believe in God stupid? If you're gonna call people stupid at least be able to use proper grammar.
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You can do so by using facts and statistics

http://m.psychologytoday.com/blog/t...y-atheists-are-more-intelligent-the-religious

Just because you has the privilege of being educated doesn't mean anything a out your intelligence, and studies show that religious people are more stupid than athiests, so stop clinging to your precious privileged back ground as a basis for your intelligence, I and others are running rings round you and making you look very dumb.
 
Oxy said:
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Can you believe in God but not be affiliated to a religious cult like the Jewish, Christian or Islamic cults?
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Individuals are capable of believing in anything. So yes obviously you can believe in God without the need to be affiliated to any particular religion. It really is that simple.

Think that answers this pointless thread. Next!
 
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