People and Flu Jabs.

[willhub]

Do you only have flu if you can't get out of bed?, I've never known such awful colds, thick green mucus, restricted airways and aching back as well as the general bunged up head.

Ironic really, out of all my friends I'm the most active in terms of exercise by far, yet I catch colds much much more frequently than them. I thought exercise was supposed to mean less colds!

 

[cu3ed]

Never have a flu jab. They do more harm than good. Everyone I know who has had one is flued up.

They are not "flued up", you dont get "flued up" you get some at best, symptoms from it that lasts a few days, its nothing close to the Flu.

One really interesting aspect of it all is ( as my Dad explains to me) is how they are worried about an impending 7 strain super Flu expected to come from the dence populated Asian part of the world, currently we deal with 5 strain flus and after working on the yearly vaccine from the first known case in that year, they can work with that, with a 7 strain one they literally have no basis to work on a vaccine from.

 

[TheMightyTen]

Never have a flu jab. They do more harm than good. Everyone I know who has had one is flued up.

Look, just please go away, ignorance is not a virtue, never has been and never will be.

 

[cu3ed]

Do you only have flu if you can't get out of bed?, I've never known such awful colds, thick green mucus, restricted airways and aching back as well as the general bunged up head.

Ironic really, out of all my friends I'm the most active in terms of exercise by far, yet I catch colds much much more frequently than them. I thought exercise was supposed to mean less colds!

At the age of 29 I was in hospital with it, started out as migraine ( which I have never experienced in my life), putting myself to bed, soaking the bed through sweat, shivering, vomiting ( with migraine still fully intact was hugely painful), lack of fluids put me in hospital as the doc came out giving me a couple of jabs to control the sickness ( cue the biggest most painful injection to the arm I have ever taken), and a few times I was delusional, at the peak I tried to get out of my bed to go to the toilet and my legs simply didnt work with no strength/ balance, fell and cracked my head off my desk ( arms couldn't move fast enough to help myself). After I then got a dose of Shingles over my stomach I suppose form my immune system getting wiped out.

Overall took me about 5 months to say I was fully back to normal with no feeling of tiredness or fatigue.

I go to the gym 3 times a week, a mix of routine in the year of weights and some cardio, I'm in shape, I eat well with the odd "junk" treat, and it chewed though me like I wasn't even there.

Thankfully I was living at home and my dad is a Pharmacist.

Any time people talk and say they have Flu with a funny nose I wanna punch them, I don't think I even had any Cold symptoms with the Flu, no bunged up nose or anything.

 

[TheMightyTen]

.... I don't think I even had any Cold symptoms with the Flu, no bunged up nose or anything.

This, stuffy nose and sneezing is not common with Influenza.

 

[willhub]

Last year I had flu, I was unable to get out of bed, that led to a year of never feeling well, had cold symptoms from October to January, then developed itching eyes, roof of mouth and lots of sneezing very frequently, always coughing mucus up on a morning. The annoying thing is the doctors kept on giving my antibiotics when I went, and after the 3rd time it's blatant they were not working and to this day they still can't work out what the cause of it is. So annoying and when I catch a cold it ends up dragging on.

 

[Jason2]

Last year I had flu, I was unable to get out of bed, that led to a year of never feeling well, had cold symptoms from October to January, then developed itching eyes, roof of mouth and lots of sneezing very frequently, always coughing mucus up on a morning. The annoying thing is the doctors kept on giving my antibiotics when I went, and after the 3rd time it's blatant they were not working and to this day they still can't work out what the cause of it is. So annoying and when I catch a cold it ends up dragging on.

I recommend some green tea with two teaspoons of honey 3 times per day. You'll never get the flu again.

 

[Heliospherez]

Considering there has been no real conclusive studies completed into it's effectiveness outside of those completed by the major drugs corporations - I think I will take my chances without having something injected needlessly into me.

And as was proven during the Swine Flu debate (where most of the European Countries that didn't vaccinate had lower confirmed cases of flu & lower hospital admissions than the UK due to complications associated with the vaccine) - I find it strange that people are so sure it actually does any good at preventing even the strains it's designed for.

I remember reading an article a couple of years ago where clinical trials had actually concluded it was of absolutely no use to over 65's Strangely enough - it never really made the media headlines (probably because the local surgeries / NHS had already spent a fortune on purchasing the vaccines and calling everyone over 65 in)

 

[cu3ed]

I remember reading an article a couple of years ago where clinical trials had actually concluded it was of absolutely no use to over 65's Strangely enough - it never really made the media headlines (probably because the local surgeries / NHS had already spent a fortune on purchasing the vaccines and calling everyone over 65 in)

Thats not really true, the problem with older people taking is you have to weigh up wether their immune systems will be in a fit enough state to respond to it well, or if you are increasing their risk at that age. This is something thats talked about at length every year.
And its completely ridiculous and tin foil hat mode to say it has no effect, of course it does, what helps sceptics with the same old argument is that it impossible to give definitive answers or how many people it has potentially saved having the Flu Virus.
The major problem we have today with ALL cases where vaccines are made available is we live in an age where people where not dropping like flies every year from these kinds of things. So people can easily push them to one side thinking its not needed any more.

 

[Jason2]

Thats not really true, the problem with older people taking is you have to weigh up wether their immune systems will be in a fit enough state to respond to it well, or if you are increasing their risk at that age. This is something thats talked about at length every year.
And its completely ridiculous and tin foil hat mode to say it has no effect, of course it does.

Yeah, it usually kills them.

 

[Heliospherez]

Show me the conclusive evidence for and I will show you the evidence against.

 

[cu3ed]

Show me the conclusive evidence for and I will show you the evidence against.

Any of the them for respect researchers, or just generic Universities trying to get a name for themselves with a test pool of 5 people?
Be good maybe if you had a link to one thats been published in a peer reviewed Journal?


Hate to break it to you but my Parents both work on the boards for the control of these drugs. So hate to break it to you, but when you read all the stuff, and see the p more than poor arguments against, its pathetic, and does nothing for the awareness around various vaccines etc.

Sorry not quite true my Mom retired lol

 

[Heliospherez]

Just one I plucked from the web....

"The researchers, led by Dr. Tom Jefferson, a British epidemiologist and chief of the Vaccine Field Group at Cochrane, reviewed studies conducted between Jan. 1, 1966, and June 2010. The authors included 50 reports, of which 40 were clinical trials involving more than 70,000 people.

What they found was shocking. When the vaccination matched the viral strains actually circulating that season, with a high circulation - an uncommon occurrence - 4 percent of unvaccinated people developed symptoms compared with 1 percent of vaccinated people. In the more common years where vaccines did not match the circulating strain, two percent of unvaccinated people got the flu compared with 1 percent of those vaccinated.

In testimony earlier this year before the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe, Jefferson put those numbers in perspective.

"After reviewing more than 40 clinical trials, it is clear that the performance of the vaccines in healthy adults is nothing to get excited about," Jefferson said.

"On average, perhaps one adult out of a 100 vaccinated will get influenza symptoms compared to two out of 100 in the unvaccinated group. To put it another way, we need to vaccinate 100 healthy adults to prevent one set of symptoms."

 

[cu3ed]

Jesus


"Symptoms"

 

[LOAM]

There's been some pretty messed up bugs kicking about in December. I've had flu just once in 39 years and it was utter murder. You know when you have flu because it destroys you. What ever I had in December though was rough, it started with a fever and an inability to move (12 hours) then followed total weakness, then urinating blood. They said it was a UTI/kidney infection but it then went bronchial, finishing with an ear and throat infection.

Just really getting over it after 4 weeks but still coughing

 

[PhillyDee]

Just one I plucked from the web....

"The researchers, led by Dr. Tom Jefferson, a British epidemiologist and chief of the Vaccine Field Group at Cochrane, reviewed studies conducted between Jan. 1, 1966, and June 2010. The authors included 50 reports, of which 40 were clinical trials involving more than 70,000 people.

What they found was shocking. When the vaccination matched the viral strains actually circulating that season, with a high circulation - an uncommon occurrence - 4 percent of unvaccinated people developed symptoms compared with 1 percent of vaccinated people. In the more common years where vaccines did not match the circulating strain, two percent of unvaccinated people got the flu compared with 1 percent of those vaccinated.

In testimony earlier this year before the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe, Jefferson put those numbers in perspective.

"After reviewing more than 40 clinical trials, it is clear that the performance of the vaccines in healthy adults is nothing to get excited about," Jefferson said.

"On average, perhaps one adult out of a 100 vaccinated will get influenza symptoms compared to two out of 100 in the unvaccinated group. To put it another way, we need to vaccinate 100 healthy adults to prevent one set of symptoms."

Zero point in vaccinating healthy people, thats not the debate really!

 

[smelly_legend]

I worked in the Western General hospital Edinburgh for almost 10 years. I've had the jabs, I know many people who have had the jabs. None have ever died on my watch as a direct result. (domestic assistant)

 

[tom_nieto]

Jenner would be turning in his grave if he found out about this thread!

This could also be inspired trolling! There are certain forums filled with people who are vehemently against vaccination. This thread is just the tip of the ignorance iceberg and probably best ignored.