Will God accept you if you renounce religion?

One · 28 Dec 2012 at 17:46

ringo747 said:
I think that is slightly different to the traditional meaning of the term.

So would you agree that atheism isn't really a position at all? Is it just a psychological state?

Well that's simply because it's a retarded term. It pigeon holes people a set belief. I once had someone try and tell me what I believed when I said I was an Atheist and they got annoyed when I said they were wrong.

Theism (from wiki):
-Theism, in the broadest sense, is the belief that at least one deity exists.

Atheism therefore is the opposite. The lack of belief in deities.

You'd have to clarify what you mean by psychological state. An Atheist isn't a specific type of person, it's just someone with a lack of belief in higher/supernatural powers. Just as a scientist can be a Theist I think someone in a Church choir could be Atheist.

ringo747 · 28 Dec 2012 at 17:49

Dimple said:
That would be me then because I've spent nearly 55 years searching for evidence but there is none and if there is a God it is the nastiest most horriblest thing there has ever been.

Why do you need to even mention "if there is a God" when you seem to be certain there isn't such a thing?

Spook187 said:
I would like to ask the God people do you believe in the Big Bang or not, what are your views on it, what about our infinite Universe do you believe in that also.

What do you mean by the big bang? My understanding is that many theists will use the term "big bang" in reference to the 'event' that signified the starting point of the universe.

Do you believe that the universe is past eternal?

desires said:
You'd have to clarify what you mean by psychological state. An Atheist isn't a specific type of person, it's just someone with a lack of belief in higher/supernatural powers. Just as a scientist can be a Theist I think someone in a Church choir could be Atheist.

I mean "the state of lacking any belief in God".

Eliot · 28 Dec 2012 at 17:49

Good debate in here

I agree with Desires massively
Jason2 whats are you looking for exactly?
You ask a question back track and then come up with an arguement for a God but who are you trying to convince? Us or you?

One · 28 Dec 2012 at 17:49

Jason2 said:
Science can never disprove the existence of God.

Why not? Is that because you can't prove a negative? There is never 'proof' of non-existence? Then there is never never 'proof' of non-existence.

Oh, you didn't really answer my question either you just made up a statement to dodge it.

Spook187 · 28 Dec 2012 at 17:50

Jason2 said:
The big bang works in favour of the creation story, since it suggests that the universe had an absolute finite beginning.

But that does not mean God started it does it.

Cleeecooo · 28 Dec 2012 at 17:51

ringo747 said:
Correct.

Assuming your definition of atheism is correct then we are entitled to say that the atheistic world-view has absolutely no positive supporting evidence.

Therefore the atheist can't slate a theist if he offers no evidence?

Absolutely. We currently have no proof to definitively say there's no God, however, there's evidence to suggest that the religious scriptures are wrong.

ATM, I think we're at a point where we can neither prove nor siprove God. Someone saying that there is a god is just as wrong as the person who says there isn't.

As for atheists being hypocrites, I don't really think that's true as athiesm/science does disprove many things in religious scriptures with hard facts whereas, I can't think of any examples where religion reciprocates this.

mrk · 28 Dec 2012 at 17:52

The World is too confusing as it is in this modern age for someone to strictly say that their God is the one and only God.

In an idea(l -ed) situation I like to think that if someone is confused about what religion to follow (if any) then when they die, if there is a God, then that God will understand the situation and see them right.

I cannot believe that there are thousands (if not more?) of cultures around the World each following different paths of faith yet they all say their own God is the only one to worship. That to me is illogical.

If there were multiple Gods up there, then why have they not had a battle yet where one comes out victorious?

I'm asking questions here, not because I want to make fun of other people's religions but because if there is a God then he/she gave me the ability to weigh up these questions openly.

Cleeecooo · 28 Dec 2012 at 17:53

mrk said:
If there were multiple Gods up there, then why have they not had a battle yet where one comes out victorious?

The Greek gods do/did that

mrk · 28 Dec 2012 at 17:54

Where is the evidence of this, I want to see the remains of such fallen Gods!

One · 28 Dec 2012 at 17:54

mrk said:
If there were multiple Gods up there, then why have they not had a battle yet where one comes out victorious?

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ringo747 · 28 Dec 2012 at 17:58

Cleeecooo said:
Absolutely. We currently have no proof to definitively say there's no God, however, there's evidence to suggest that the religious scriptures are wrong.

ATM, I think we're at a point where we can neither prove nor siprove God. Someone saying that there is a god is just as wrong as the person who says there isn't.

As for atheists being hypocrites, I don't really think that's true as athiesm/science does disprove many things in religious scriptures with hard facts whereas, I can't think of any examples where religion reciprocates this.

I think we agree on a fair bit then.

What evidence against scriptures are you referring to? Is this the same as you mention in your last paragraph about science disproving facts?

I'm guessing you are talking about things that are recorded in scripture which would defy the laws of physics here.

Cleeecooo · 28 Dec 2012 at 18:03

mrk said:
Where is the evidence of this, I want to see the remains of such fallen Gods!

They all metamorphosised into crying rocks or **** like that :rolleyes:

ringo747 said:
I think we agree on a fair bit then.

What evidence against scriptures are you referring to? Is this the same as you mention in your last paragraph about science disproving facts?

I'm guessing you are talking about things that are recorded in scripture which would defy the laws of physics here.

Yep.

I'm too lazy to type it out, so here's a link that kinda shows what I'm talking about:
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080927001157AAUyiHk

Jason2 · 28 Dec 2012 at 18:08

Most souls are heading to hell. Anyone who has not accepted Christ as their personal saviour is doomed. Any christian who teaches different to that is not Christian at all.

Jason2 · 28 Dec 2012 at 18:09

Just come across this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNk_rBBIwco

Spook187 · 28 Dec 2012 at 18:13

Jason2 said:
Most souls are heading to hell. Anyone who has not accepted Christ as their personal saviour is doomed. Any christian who teaches different to that is not Christian at all.

loooooooooooooooooool what a crock of *****

ringo747 · 28 Dec 2012 at 18:15

Cleeecooo said:
They all metamorphosised into crying rocks or **** like that

Yep.

I'm too lazy to type it out, so here's a link that kinda shows what I'm talking about:
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080927001157AAUyiHk

Some very different answers on there. I think that the interpretation of the text can cause difficulties. With a very literal view on the text then things could well appear to be at odds with science.

Look at the age of the earth for example. Some people claim it is 6000 years old. Other theists don't know and don't care.

In my opinion the age of the earth has absolutely no bearing on the question of the existence of God.

Spook187 said:
loooooooooooooooooool what a crock of *****

Is this only your opinion or are you certain that it is a crock of ****?

hyster · 28 Dec 2012 at 18:18

I was brought up a Catholic and wasted years on this guff. I have no issue with folk holding whatever belief they wish but do understand if you make a supernatural claim, you have a burden of proof to meet. It amazes me how ready the religious are to shirk this responsibility.

estebanrey · 28 Dec 2012 at 18:18

Jason2 said:
Atheists are the ones who claimed the universe was eternal

Jason, why do you keep saying "atheists claim this" or "atheists claim that" followed by something unconnected to the existence of God?

Most of the time you've used the word 'atheists' you've actually meant 'scientists' or 'antitheists'.

An atheist is simply someone without a belief in a God or gods, there is no world view or opinion attributed to the label further than that. It's like trying to claim that atheism teaches red sauce is better than brown.

Spook187 · 28 Dec 2012 at 18:18

ringo747 said:
Some very different answers on there. I think that the interpretation of the text can cause difficulties. With a very literal view on the text then things could well appear to be at odds with science.

Look at the age of the earth for example. Some people claim it is 6000 years old. Other theists don't know and don't care.

In my opinion the age of the earth has absolutely no bearing on the question of the existence of God.

Is this only your opinion or are you certain that it is a crock of ****?

so are we moving onto there is a hell now wtf.

I'm sorry but you lot are pure deluded, you are hallucinating as Richard Dawkins would say.

Jason2 · 28 Dec 2012 at 18:24

Spook187 said:
so are we moving onto there is a hell now wtf.

I'm sorry but you lot are pure deluded, you are hallucinating as Richard Dawkins would say.

The original question was "Will God accept you if you renounce religion?". I was simply giving the Christian perspective.

And how can Richard Dawkins call anyone delusional when he himself believes in Aliens? Is that not like believing in unicorns without evidence?

Just throwing your atheistic argument right back at ya.