Will God accept you if you renounce religion?

[ringo747]

It makes me pity you, as you my friend appear to be living a life that is completely restricted by ideas and books from a very long time ago.

Are you rejecting these ideas based purely on the date of origin?

It is clear that you have been indoctrinated into this belief and that you will not accept the views of someone else but just blindly argue them.

This is just your opinion. To you it may seem as indoctrination but that statement cannot be proven. You talk about 'blindly arguing'. Isn't that just exactly what you are doing yourself?

You should also understand that I believe your quality of life would improve if you were not so restricted in your mind and that I would remind you that you only have ONE life.

Can you really determine what constitutes a good quality of life? Surely this is subjective.

In closing, You only live once. Why restrict your life to one of strict rules of belief and religion when you can be free in your thoughts and live your life to the full.

What if this particular world-view is actually right? Is a belief in God and trying to be a good person really classed as a strict set of rules?

You seem to be implying that holding a religious viewpoint somehow hinders the ability to live life to the full.

Aside from the other arguement which that i just think its a crock of &$&$

That is blind faith. Belief without evidence.

 

[One]

The original question was "Will God accept you if you renounce religion?". I was simply giving the Christian perspective.

And how can Richard Dawkins call anyone delusional when he himself believes in Aliens? Is that not like believing in unicorns without evidence?

Just throwing your atheistic argument right back at ya.

Extra terrestrial life is just a calculation of odds. It depends entirely on your take on the size of the universe. If the universe is infinite then it stands to reason the chance of us being the only life in the universe is low. It can be as simple as an amoeba but the chance is there. I however wouldn't believe it exists until it's found or evidence of previous life is found, however the odds stand to reason it's a good idea to look for it.

 

[Craterloads]

Please provide some evidence of life beyond our earth, intelligent life. You can't, what has SETI discovered since launch, ziltch. Yet you are happy to believe green men in space created us, yet struggle with the notion of a god.

 

[Shayper]

Jason, please read people's pots properly, and stop answering only those you feel you can safely. You are coming across as a right troll.

My contribution to this thread:

Religion is like a 12 inch penis. It's all well and good having one, just don't wave it around in public, and I'd prefer you not to shove it down my throat.

 

[Craterloads]

Atheism is like a 12 inch penis. It's all well and good having one, just don't wave it around in public, and I'd prefer you not to shove it down my throat.

Same

 

[Spook187]

Please provide some evidence of life beyond our earth, intelligent life. You can't, what has SETI discovered since launch, ziltch. Yet you are happy to believe green men in space created us, yet struggle with the notion of a god.

The point of SETI is to find that signal, it's hasn't even scratched the surface, but it's a start and better than doing nothing isn't it, so do you believe we are the only ones, i don't think you realise on how vast the universe really is.

 

[ringo747]

Jason, please read people's pots properly, and stop answering only those you feel you can safely. You are coming across as a right troll.

Troll is becoming the new term for someone who simply holds an alternative belief.

My contribution to this thread:

Religion is like a 12 inch penis. It's all well and good having one, just don't wave it around in public, and I'd prefer you not to shove it down my throat.

I assume you are classifying atheism under the term 'religion'? If not, then I think you need to update to post to suggest that both sides are as guilty as each other of 'shoving down throats'.

 

[wannabedamned]

Putting forward an argument of belief in a God and yet using Aliens as an example of a ludicrous argument

I asked Jason2 a question earlier, but it got overlooked. I asked if he believed in aliens and alternative universes. It's just if he doesnt, yet he finds it easy to believe in a god.

Well, That confuses me somewhat.

 

[Craterloads]

The point of SETI is to find that signal, it's hasn't even scratched the surface, but it's a start and better than doing nothing isn't it, so do you believe we are the only ones, i don't think you realise on how vast the universe really is.

I dont know, maybe there is maybe there isnt. No evidence to suggest there is at this current time.

 

[estebanrey]

How is that any different to believing in God then? You have no proof whatsoever that aliens exist yet reject the notion of a God, which for me sounds much more plausible.

Just how is believing aliens more believable than believing in God? I'm curious to know.

Because the existence of life outside our planet (what Dawkins believes rather than just 'aliens' which conjours up images of beings with triangular shaped heads and big eyes) is an almost mathematical certainty.

There are about ten thousand billion billion habitable planets in the observable universe (there are roughly 6 sextillion planets in all). The odds that at least one of those has life on it would be pretty high would you not think?

Trouble is if you believe that life is only created by God you might struggle with the idea, but if like Dawkins you think life started by a combination of the right event happening under the right conditions at the right time then the exsistence of other life on other planets comes down to probability. Which, as explained, given the vastness of the universe of the number of other solar systems and planets means it's an almost certainty that life does or did exist outside Earth.

Please provide some evidence of life beyond our earth, intelligent life.

Intelligent life? Define intelligent?

Let the "Watch Out We Got A Badass Over Here" guy explain why looking for "intelligent" life is a misnomer.....

 

[ringo747]

...if like Dawkins you think life started by a combination of the right event happening under the right conditions at the right time...

Yeah, but the problem surely is that 'nothing' doesn't have any conditions!

 

[Jason2]

Putting forward an argument of belief in a God and yet using Aliens as an example of a ludicrous argument

I asked Jason2 a question earlier, but it got overlooked. I asked if he believed in aliens and alternative universes. It's just if he doesnt, yet he finds it easy to believe in a god.

Well, That confuses me somewhat.

I'm a christian so why would I need to believe in aliens or alternative universes? I believe we human beings are made in the image of God. And no life has ever been found in the known observable universe that would dent the belief that human beings are specially created by God.

 

[Shayper]

Also, craterloads, you are the one being hypocritical here. There is a VAST difference between aliens and gods. Gods are apparently all knowing beings that dictate how the world runs. Aliens are just a different version of us. There is massive statistical evidence that aliens exist. There is, however, zero statistical evidence that gods exist. By denying this fact, you are being rather bigheaded in declaring your own importance. What makes you so important, as a minute speck in the vast swath of nothingness that is space? You are just a collection of atoms. A star is more important in the universe, it affects so much more than you do. If you are scared that you are not important, which I believe you are, then I understand why you need a belief system. But truly, you are not important, and neither are the rest of us.

 

[Cleeecooo]

Most souls are heading to hell. Anyone who has not accepted Christ as their personal saviour is doomed. Any christian who teaches different to that is not Christian at all.

Proof or kindly GTFO!

This is what I have a problem with, you're presenting this as fact when you have absolutely no hard facts at all to back it up.

Some very different answers on there. I think that the interpretation of the text can cause difficulties. With a very literal view on the text then things could well appear to be at odds with science.

Look at the age of the earth for example. Some people claim it is 6000 years old. Other theists don't know and don't care.

In my opinion the age of the earth has absolutely no bearing on the question of the existence of God.

I was talking mainly about the best answer there

I think that the Bible was essentially people proposing theories for how the world works because they didn't have the means to understand it and that the portrayal of the Bible as un-disputable fact is what stopped many people questioning it.

 

[Spook187]

Yeah, but the problem surely is that 'nothing' doesn't have any conditions!

What does that mean.

 

[Shayper]

I also would put militant and overly outspoken atheists under my previous post. I want to decide things for myself. Why is your view any more right or important than mine?

Religion and anti-theism are just two sides of the same coin, like love and hate. People should make up their own damn minds.

 

[wannabedamned]

Intelligent life? Define intelligent?

Let the "Watch Out We Got A Badass Over Here" guy explain why looking for "intelligent" life is a misnomer.....

I like that, never seen it before.

 

[ringo747]

I was talking mainly about the best answer there

I think that the Bible was essentially people proposing theories for how the world works because they didn't have the means to understand it and that the portrayal of the Bible as un-disputable fact is what stopped many people questioning it.

So do you reject the whole of the scripture based on what appear to be inconsistencies or do you only reject the section in question?

What does that mean.

Simple. If there was nothing then how can life come into existence given the right conditions. Nothing doesn't have any properties.

 

[Shayper]

Troll is becoming the new term for someone who simply holds an alternative belief.



I assume you are classifying atheism under the term 'religion'? If not, then I think you need to update to post to suggest that both sides are as guilty as each other of 'shoving down throats'.

As to the first part of your post, you misunderstand me. I was not slating him for holding a different belief, I was slating him for not answering questions because he seemed uncomfortable with the answers.

 

[hyster]

Every time I read through this kind of thread I'm reminded that we should emphasise the teaching of critical thinking in our schools, perhaps if we taught children how to think instead of what to think (as they did in my case) we could move forward.

It seems like basic misunderstanding of what is plausible, probability and what level of proof we should require as evidence for a given claim.

If tell me you have a dog, I’ll believe you, a crocodile, I’ll be suspicious, a fire breathing dragon called Tarquin? Or a personal Saviour? I’m gonna need to see that and even then I’ll doubt my senses.