Will God accept you if you renounce religion?

ringo747 said:
Are you rejecting these ideas based purely on the date of origin?
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No, Merely stating that its the only evidence in favour for religion.
A book written by someone when we thought the world was flat


ringo747 said:
This is just your opinion. To you it may seem as indoctrination but that statement cannot be proven. You talk about 'blindly arguing'. Isn't that just exactly what you are doing yourself?
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Have you read any of his responses?
There are no arguements for his point, He is merely sidestepping points raised or waxing lyrical about hell
ringo747 said:
Can you really determine what constitutes a good quality of life? Surely this is subjective.
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Correct, But in this case, It seems to me that someone that believes something to the extent that they refuse to acknowledge or argue a point another person makes.
Is not totally able to think for themself.


ringo747 said:
What if this particular world-view is actually right? Is a belief in God and trying to be a good person really classed as a strict set of rules?
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Again its about his inability to justify his arguement here, If his belief is so strong he can't think for himself are those "rules" right
You don't need to believe in God to be a good person.
If you are a good person PURELY because you fear god then you are a good person for the wrong reasons
ringo747 said:
You seem to be implying that holding a religious viewpoint somehow hinders the ability to live life to the full.
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Again, In his case it seems possible to me.
ringo747 said:
That is blind faith. Belief without evidence.
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Interesting, The thing people don't seem to understand is that you dont need evidence to disprove something if there is none in the first place to give it a reason to exist.
Other wise I can write anything I want and it be upheld as a theory as it cant be disproven.
I.E China Teapot scenario.

Although the difference is that i'm not bound by my opinion,
Frankly, I dont particularly care what happens.

As i said in the same post you are quoting.......
 
Shayper said:
Aliens are just a different version of us. There is massive statistical evidence that aliens exist.
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Please provide some evidence.

There is, however, zero statistical evidence that gods exist. By denying this fact, you are being rather bigheaded in declaring your own importance.
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Please provide some evidence

What makes you so important, as a minute speck in the vast swath of nothingness that is space? You are just a collection of atoms. A star is more important in the universe, it affects so much more than you do. If you are scared that you are not important, which I believe you are, then I understand why you need a belief system. But truly, you are not important, and neither are the rest of us.
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What makes you think i disagree:confused:
 
ringo747 said:
Yeah, but the problem surely is that 'nothing' doesn't have any conditions!
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I was referring to abiogenesis (life from inorganic matter) and not cosmology (the creation/death of the universe).

The classic "you can't get something from nothing argument", which I think you're making, usually refers to the big bang rather than life's creation on Earth.

Which of the two are you confused about?
 
RDM said:
Is there? As we have no idea on the variables to plug in to an equation ow can we say there is any evidence that aliens exist?
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There are uncountable planets with conditions that are able to support life. Even going by that it shows there is a big probability of life forming on at least one. I said statistical, not absolute.
 
ringo747 said:
So do you reject the whole of the scripture based on what appear to be inconsistencies or do you only reject the section in question?
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Tough question!

I'd outright reject the areas that are obviously false, I'd also seriously question the validity of the rest of the scripture too. I don't think I'd take many parts of the bible seriously at their face value, but I don't think it's all 100% BS. The bible has some great values, but it also has so many archaic/outdated/simply retarded ones.
 
Craterloads said:
I dont know, maybe there is maybe there isnt. No evidence to suggest there is at this current time.
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Same with there being a God.

However in the case of aliens there is plenty of evidence to suggest how life began on this Earth (evidence that is, not a story book). From Fossils to surviving species etc. Using this evidence (yes evidence) can we not assume that it's perfectly possible that life exists in at least one of those many planets orbiting one of those stars within one of those Galaxies we can see from our telescopes?

One question for the religious users here, no offense intended, it's a serious question, but where do you think God exists? Outside the universe? In another dimension? The Sky? Other? (if it's the third you are probably too young to post.)

Also, if a man turned up now claiming to be Jesus, with all our scientific knowledge and lunatic asylums...where would he (or she) end up?

I really hope I'm wrong about religion, but when I die I imagine it'll be like General Anaesthesia, without the waking up and although that is not the nicest thing, it looks far more likely then ending up in the clouds with everyone I have ever known and not known, including long lost relatives from many generations ago...and of course all the birds, animals and insects that have ever lived and died too...
 
hyster said:
Every time I read through this kind of thread I'm reminded that we should emphasise the teaching of critical thinking in our schools, perhaps if we taught children how to think instead of what to think (as they did in my case) we could move forward.

It seems like basic misunderstanding of what is plausible, probability and what level of proof we should require as evidence for a given claim.

If tell me you have a dog, I’ll believe you, a crocodile, I’ll be suspicious, a fire breathing dragon called Tarquin? Or a personal Saviour? I’m gonna need to see that and even then I’ll doubt my senses.
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Quote For Truth, well summed up
 
Craterloads said:
I'm not the one making the claims. Your statistical evidence, what does it count for?
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Statistics.... Basically What are the odds that a life other than ours exists in the universe.

They are much better odds compared to that of an omnipotent being creating the universe and setting the rules of the universe just for us little humans on this planet here.

are they not? Thats all shayper was pointing out.
 
Shayper said:
There are uncountable planets with conditions that are able to support life. Even going by that it shows there is a big probability of life forming on at least one. I said statistical, not absolute.
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No, we assume there are uncountable planets with conditions that are able to support life. There are too many variables that we just don't know to put any statistical probability on there being life on other planets. So if you can't say what the statistical probability is then you cannot say we have statitistical evidence.

I believe there is life on other planets but I certainly couldn't prove it statistically or otherwise.
 
Eliot said:
Interesting, The thing people don't seem to understand is that you dont need evidence to disprove something if there is none in the first place to give it a reason to exist.
Other wise I can write anything I want and it be upheld as a theory as it cant be disproven.
I.E China Teapot scenario.
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Ok on the rest of your post.

You posted earlier "Aside from the other arguement which that i just think its a crock of &$&$".

If you believe this statement to be true which I assume you do then surely you are basing it on evidence? Otherwise it is no different to the theist saying there is no God but giving no evidence.

estebanrey said:
I was referring to abiogenesis (life from inorganic matter) and not cosmology (the creation/death of the universe).

The classic "you can't get something from nothing argument", which I think you're making, usually refers to the big bang rather than life's creation on Earth.

Which of the two are you confused about?
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Confused about neither. I wasn't quoting you originally either. I was talking about the 'something from nothing'.
 
Craterloads said:
I'm not the one making the claims. Your statistical evidence, what does it count for?
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Yes you are. You are claiming god or gods exist. I'm not going to denounce your belief as I am not an anti-theist, however I personally (and that is the important part here) trust in mathematics more than metaphorical prose.
 
Jason2 said:
Ah, the something from nothing argument. Well, I'm afraid you atheists are going to have to explain where the laws that make this possible come from. I've yet to hear an answer for this question from the atheist corner.
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So if you can't get something from nothing where did God come from? "God did it!" Doesn't answer any questions it just sets things back he step.
 
wannabedamned said:
Statistics.... Basically What are the odds that a life other than ours exists in the universe.

They are much better odds compared to that of an omnipotent being creating the universe and setting the rules of the universe just for us little humans on this planet here.

are they not? Thats all shayper was pointing out.
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Thankyou, that was a good summary.

RDM said:
No, we assume there are uncountable planets with conditions that are able to support life. There are too many variables that we just don't know to put any statistical probability on there being life on other planets. So if you can't say what the statistical probability is then you cannot say we have statitistical evidence.

I believe there is life on other planets but I certainly couldn't prove it statistically or otherwise.
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And that's why I said evidence, rather than proof. I can't prove it, I can only make my decisions based on the evidence that is available to me. If god was to be proved, undeniably, then I would accept his existence and change my belief structure.
 
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