Will God accept you if you renounce religion?

Craterloads said:
I've said nothing of such, in this thread.



Please provide some then, some maths that prove aliens exist.
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No, but your point of view in this thread depends on the existence of a creator. F you can't see that, then your entire argument against me collapses and is, as such, null and void.

I was not claiming that aliens exist, I was claiming that there is statistical evidence of planets with the right conditions, from our current knowledge of how life begun, that can support life. And there is plenty of that, however as I said it is difficult to post that from my phone. You can, however search it; if you are disinclined to do so, then I don't see any point in you discussing this, as that just shows you really have no interest in my point of view, you are only interested in denying that yours is possibly incorrect.
 
Shayper said:
Statistics is based around assumptions. Including, occasionally, unfounded assumptions. The entirety of physics is based around the assumption that the laws of physics are constant, and yet this is an unfounded assumption because we just don't know.
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The difference being that with the laws of physics we have so far observed them to be constant so it is a fair assumption to make. The argument for life on other planets isn't like that because we don't know all the variables and we don't know he values or even range of values for those variables. None of he statistics will be based on observation, just assumption.

Obviously you can prove me wrong really easily, just link the statistical evidence.
 
Jason2 said:
The infinite can be found no where in nature, so what makes you think the universe is eternal?

As for Abiogenesis, that's something atheists have never liked to discuss. They simply have no answer to how life arose. Lots of scientists have tried to replicate it but all attempts have failed.
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Of course the infinite is found in nature? What are black holes (in our current understanding)? Infinite mass in an infinitely small place.

I'm an atheist and I'm happy to discuss it. The reason that we cannot recreate abiogenesis is because we lack the technology to recreate it. We have a good idea of how life began. Just because we can't replicate it does not mean it isn't correct. We can't replicate cold fusion with our current technology yet quasars and neutron stars exist.
 
ringo747 said:
So you only think but you don't believe then? So you really don't believe that the whole religious thing is a load of *****.

Some of the non-believers in this thread seem to know beyond any doubt that there is no God. This positive belief in the non-existence of God requires evidence to support it. I think we have already established that there is none.
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No I do believe, for sure.
I just said I think....
Thinking isnt believing so i was just making a point of context.

I have already told you that I feel no need to provide evidence against the existance of a god.
As there isn't any true evidence to say there is one.

Why am I on the only side of this arguement requiring fact? Where is yours?
 
RDM said:
The difference being that with the laws of physics we have so far observed them to be constant so it is a fair assumption to make. The argument for life on other planets isn't like that because we don't know all the variables and we don't know he values or even range of values for those variables. None of he statistics will be based on observation, just assumption.

Obviously you can prove me wrong really easily, just link the statistical evidence.
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But we have also observed them to be incorrect in places, hence Quantum Mechanics. Which is also based on nearly entirely assumption. I rather think you've missed my point.
 
Craterloads said:
Like i said, easy way out. It's a pretty simple question and has no reflection on our intelligence or how we class our intelligence.
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The premise is still false even without the intelligent bit in it.

You are asking for physical proof that life exists outside of Earth and implying that because there isn't any then believing in Aliens (or more accurately believing it's likely that extra terrestrial life exists) is therefore no less silly than believing in a God without physical evidence.

Firstly, you are ignoring the mathematical evidence which I showed earlier. Now if I asked you to flip a coin 1,000 times I cannot prove nor do I have any physical evidence that you won't flip 1,000 heads in a row before you start. But it would be perfectly logical for me to believe you won't do it given the chance you have to beat.

It's the same with aliens, there is no physical evidence but mathematically it seems almost impossible that extra-terrestrial life doesn't exists outside our solar system.
 
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Eliot said:
No I do believe, for sure.
I just said I think....
Thinking isnt believing so i was just making a point of context.

I have already told you that I feel no need to provide evidence against the existance of a god.
As there isn't any true evidence to say there is one.

Why am I on the only side of this arguement requiring fact? Where is yours?
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So you hold a belief with no evidence which surely is blind faith as I originally stated.

I'm not presenting a case for the opposition.
 
Shayper said:
No, but your point of view in this thread depends on the existence of a creator. F you can't see that, then your entire argument against me collapses and is, as such, null and void.
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I'm trying keep my personal opinions out of it. Iv'e not said god exist or if he doesn't.

I was not claiming that aliens exist, I was claiming that there is statistical evidence of planets with the right conditions, from our current knowledge of how life begun, that can support life. And there is plenty of that, however as I said it is difficult to post that from my phone. You can, however search it; if you are disinclined to do so, then I don't see any point in you discussing this, as that just shows you really have no interest in my point of view, you are only interested in denying that yours is possibly incorrect.
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There is massive statistical evidence that aliens exist.
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I'm saying there isn’t, and I’m saying this statistical evidence counts for nothing in the context of proving the existence of "aliens".
 
Craterloads said:
I'm trying keep my personal opinions out of it. Iv'e not said god exist or if he doesn't.



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I'm saying there isn’t, and I’m saying this statistical evidence counts for nothing in the context of proving the existence of "aliens".
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The Drake Equation was posted earlier, check it out.
 
desires said:
Ladies and Gentleman, I give you, the Drake equation:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drake_equation
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Shayper said:
Ah yes, that was the one I was thinking of. I always forget the name, I think Francis Drake :D
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Which Drake himself said was not to be taken as an actual mathematical equation in the Scientific sense, but as a tool to stimulate debate on the subject. The Drake Equation relies on conjecture and therefore cannot be used to draw conclusions from as the Drake Equation can have any value from Millions to Zero depending on the assumptions being made, most of which are unknown and cannot even be estimated.

The Drake Equation is not evidence of anything.
 
Castiel said:
Which Drake himself said was not to be taken as an actual mathematical equation in the Scientific sense, but as a tool to stimulate debate on the subject. The Drake Equation relies on conjecture and therefore cannot be used to draw conclusions from as the Drake Equation can have any value from Millions to Zero.
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But, as I said earlier, most of Physics relies on conjecture.
 
estebanrey said:
The premise is still false even without the intelligent bit in it.

You are asking for physical proof that life exists outside of Earth and implying that because there isn't any then believing in Aliens (or more accurately believing it's likely that extra terrestrial life exists) is therefore no less silly than believing in a God without physical evidence.

Firstly, you are ignoring the mathematical evidence which I showed earlier. Now if I asked you to flip a coin 1,000 times I cannot prove nor do I have any physical evidence that you won't flip 1,000 heads in a row before you start. But it would be perfectly logical for me to believe you won't do it given the chance you have to beat.

It's the same with aliens, there is no physical evidence but mathematically it seems almost impossible that extra-terrestrial life doesn't exists outside our solar system.
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That.
And the fact that our own existance is surely evidence that Aliens can exist.

We are not the centre of the universe.
And as a race quite full of our own self importance.

An Alien is to its planet is as we are to earth.
 
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