New car for the wife - thoughts needed

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I am contemplating getting my wife a new car next year and need a bit of guidance on what to look for, whether it be specific models to match our criteria or just general advice on various factors like hidden costs of certain marques etc.
As some background I cannot drive myself due to a visual impairment and the only used car we’ve bought was from the mother-in-law so very lacking in experience in this sector. I've tried to come up with some answers myself but wanted to get this validated.

Tl;dr version: £8-12k safe/reliable hatch 17k/year to replace a Corsa 1.2

Proper version:

Requirements:
-Small i.e. family hatchback with 5 seats and preferably 5 doors. For a point of comparison, she once had a VW Jetta as a courtesy car and found it too big for her liking. Not looking for a supermini though.
-No strict budget but let’s say £8-12k. I appreciate that is a fairly wide band and looking to spend up to £10k really but I don't want to limit the options too much.
-Mileage ~16-18k/year with a possibility it may increase. Majority of the mileage is on Motorways and A-roads (hence currently thinking Diesel).
-Likely to keep it for a minimum of 3 years assuming no problems
-Insurance hopefully not a problem as she is over 30 with 5 years no claims BUT I understand the new equality regulations coming in could mean a massive hike for female drivers
-Mediocre acceleration or better (i.e. not very slow), say 0-60 <12s? Her current car (07 Corsa 1.2) is underpowered and is a nightmare when trying to overtake on a hill.
-Nothing too crazy, she is used to driving slow cars but probably time to go to something with a bit more grunt now. She is very much a middle lane driver i.e. doesn’t cruise along the inside at 60 but equally isn’t going to be doing a ton tailgating in the fast lane. Lack of acceleration does annoy her (and me!) though.
-Reliability is important as if anything were to go wrong it would be 100% my fault for suggesting a used car and we should have bought a nice brand new pink one with 50bhp. Does this mean I should be favouring petrol engines?
-Therefore something with a long transferrable warranty or maybe franchise dealer coverage might be a safe bet (not sure how this works??)
-Current thinking is would like to get a reasonbly well specced model which may rule out less common models I guess due to availability.

Have been doing some research in my own way for a while which is probably not how one should be researching cars and more akin to how I look at gadgets i.e. weighing up the technical specs and benchmarks with a bit of reading on sites/forums on the side. On the back of this I looked at a few options with these conclusions (interested to hear alternative views):

-BMW 116/18/20d: RWD is a slight concern as not sure how she'd get on with it plus when it snows we are screwed (our estate doesn't get gritted - a couple of years ago it was a skating rink for days after other roads were clear). Also think repair costs could be an issue?
-Kia Cee’d 1.6 crdi: Long warranty appeals but seem to holding their value reasonably well (i.e. not as cheap as I was expecting)
-Audi A3 1.9 tdi: reading around general consensus seems to be better off getting a Golf as you are paying for the badge
-Focus 1.6 tdci: Seems like a viable option
-Hyundai i30 1.6 crdi: Seems like potentially a better choice than the Kia as seem to be generally well specced, reviewed and reliable? A contender on current thinking.
-VW Golf Mk6 1.6 TDI: On paper they didn't stand out but reading around they seem to be generally regarded as possibly the best car in class with good build quality, reliable and not massively expensive to maintain. I think they look 'overpriced' to me because their residuals are so good compared to other cars - I read a £20k Golf is worth up to £2k more than a £20k Focus after just 1 year.
-Alfa Romeo Guilietta: Did consider pushing the boat out a bit and getting something a bit different/risky but Alfa seem to have a pretty bad rep for reliability etc. Also heard there is no headroom in the back.
-Seat Leon: Difficult to say, basically a cheaper Golf with supposedly worse build quality, a colleague has a 12 plate and it seemed pretty good, on paper a good option but worry is if we get one will I just be thinking "should have got a Golf"?

So at the moment front runners in no particular order are i30, Focus, Leon and Golf. Would like to whittle down the list before test driving though.

As I said there is no strict budget and what I’m finding trawling the web/autotrader is that there is so much variety/granularity in the car market that it is difficult to know where to start or even stop – you can always spend a little bit more and get something a little bit better in contrast to say computer hardware where I can normally identify a ‘sweet spot’.

At the moment I’m mostly working on the basis of something up to 4 years old with medium mileage (sub 60k) but is this a sensible approach? Would it likely mean buying a 3 year old 50k car and then it hits 60k and there is going to be some massive serving bill and bits needing replacement? I just don’t know what all the hidden costs/problems might be, which is where you come in...
 
If a jetta is too big, then surely a Golf will be too? Jetta is a golf in drag!

Personally in this sector, the Octavia is the best bet imo, i'd certainly have it over a Leon, which is a really poor car in side and looks fairly MPV'ish.Personally 12k for a car in this sector is too much, but im a stingy git and only want to spend good money on special cars.
 
I'd find it hard to recommend the Golf if she found the Jetta to be too big. They are after all, the same car.

This also means the Leon is out, as is the A3. 1-series is actually bigger than the A3, so that's out too.
 
Focus looks the most viable from the bunch. In terms of reliability, economy and safety it ticks the boxes. Plus they are as common as teenage pregnancy in the UK so it will be very much a buyers market.
 
Jetta definitely seemed longer than a Golf, although I haven't compared them side by side.
Not sure exactly how the "length" quoted by AT is measured but it has the Jetta down at 4554mm compared to 4199 for the Golf?
 
Length is longer, yes, but you can't tell me you can notice the extra lump of boot at the back of a car whilst driving it 99% of the time? The Jetta is a Golf with a saloon rear end, they are mechanically identical.
 
Well, the only way to know for sure will be for her to drive something Golf sized, but just to clarify it is just the spatial 'external' size of the car that worried her (I know the wheelbase on the previous generation Jetta is the same), manouvering it about, parking etc (possibly rear visibility is better in a hatch compared to a saloon too, I dunno?). I think the extra foot in length makes a difference to her (no s******ing at the back!), rightly or wrongly, and basically the difference in length between a Jetta and a Golf is the same as between a Golf and what she was used to driving, i.e. a Golf falls pretty much in the middle.

Regarding the Octavia, I think the same applies i.e. probably too long.
 
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Load of rubbish. My wife drove our Nissan Pathfinder fine, get her in line!!

She has a Mercedes B Class now which I would recommend. Loads of room. easy to drive, quiet, economical. Its a great car.
 
Focus looks the most viable from the bunch. In terms of reliability, economy and safety it ticks the boxes. Plus they are as common as teenage pregnancy in the UK so it will be very much a buyers market.

What do you make of this:
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201212294745359/

On paper it seems to fit our needs fairly well... economical, better performance than the Corsa, bigger without being 'too big' (she won't have a saloon!), under £9k, decent spec, moderate mileage and hopefully pretty reasonable running costs (servicing etc).

I had a look at petrol engines for comparison (09+ <60k miles) and there seem to a whole bunch of similar age 1.6 Zetecs around 7k but Titanium spec is £8.5k (at least within 30 miles) so the Diesel seems the better buy.
 
What do you make of this:
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201212294745359/

On paper it seems to fit our needs fairly well... economical, better performance than the Corsa, bigger without being 'too big' (she won't have a saloon!), under £9k, decent spec, moderate mileage and hopefully pretty reasonable running costs (servicing etc).

I had a look at petrol engines for comparison (09+ <60k miles) and there seem to a whole bunch of similar age 1.6 Zetecs around 7k but Titanium spec is £8.5k (at least within 30 miles) so the Diesel seems the better buy.

Looks nice although I couldn't advice you on price.

The only thing to bear in mind with it being diesel is that it has only covered about 9k a year.

Modern diesels need to be given a run regularly or the DPF can become clogged. At 27k I wouldn't have thought it would be much damage yet. However if you are not planning on doing much mileage that could be a potential big bill in the future.
 
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Current gen Focus for me. Fantastic normal persons car and unlike the civic is a fresh all new model.

Disagree, it's not fantastic, it's simply average. I can't see the point in this over something like a cee'd, heck the Korean tat even looks better.
 
I've had a load of hire cars in the last few weeks. A New Civic, a new Focus, and a Cee'd in fact !

The Cee'd shows how far that area of the market has come on, but it is bloody awful in comparison to a Focus. The Focus is supposed to be a good 'average persons car' And it really does deliver in this area.

That said, these are all the size of a Jetta. If she wants something smaller that is still relatively big, what about a Polo. My wife's Aunt has recently got one and its quite a nice little car for being 'a car' and the modern petrol's in there are absolutely fantastic compared to what will be in your wife's current Corsa. Certainly I'd be considering petrol over diesel for 17k a year. I'd imagine a lot of the modern petrols would be bloody close running cost wise at that mileage to a diesel, without the 'issues' that come with diesels.
 
Current Focus would be nice and in that case we would probably get/want the new 125bhp 1.0 petrol engine which seems to offer comprable performance to the old 1.6 tdci and virtually the same cost fuel cost per mile. However problem is it is 'too new' i.e. not many on the market and prices not really dropped into my preferred budget.

One good piece of news is I ran some insurance quotes on various options and the new regulations about women drivers don't seem to have screwed us over too much, even the less practical things I looked at (120d, Guilietta 170bhp) are under £450/year.

As for the Civic 2.2 a friend of ours has one on a 56 plate and we are not really fans of it.
 
What do you make of this:
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201212294745359/


I had a look at petrol engines for comparison (09+ <60k miles) and there seem to a whole bunch of similar age 1.6 Zetecs around 7k but Titanium spec is £8.5k (at least within 30 miles) so the Diesel seems the better buy.

Potentially be willing to travel more than 30 miles as it will give you much more choice. As you intend to keep it for 3 years plus, its hardly a big deal to spend a few hours to travel to get a new car IMO.

I picked up a 58 plate 1.8 petrol Focus titanium with 45k miles just over a year ago for £5.4k privately. £8.5k is silly money even at a dealer unless its done no miles at all. When I was looking for this car I noticed that diesels were around £2k more at the same age and mileage and as my wife only does 6-8k miles a year (including lots of short journeys) it didn't make sense to go for a diesel.
 
Sounds like you got a great deal assuming everything in order, even up to 100 miles it seems to be £7k before haggling for something comprable to what you got - at the moment not much in the way of private sellers it seems. Preference would be a local-ish dealer in case of any problems.

Totting up the costs by my reckoning 17k miles a year makes a petrol roughly £650 more expensive plus say £100 in road tax. Relative cost of servicing/repairs is something I'm in the dark on other than diesel typically more expensive.
 
In a strange twist of fate some ****head drove a lorry into the Corsa, so she's now been issued a Mk6 Golf TDI as a hire car. She seems fine with the size of it and happy with handling etc so that definitely keeps it in the picture, we can view this as an extended test drive.

Personally as a passenger on a couple of trips I noticed:
-Interior seems quite well refined but understated and doesn't wow me compared to other cars I've been in (to be fair, I don't know what trim level it is, but I'd certainly not want something better)
-There seems to be a bit of a delay pulling away from idle, is this turbo lag? Obviously as I'm not behind the wheel I can't say for certain but we were a bit slow getting away at lights compared to normal (bearing in mind she's never owned anything with over 80bhp!)
-Noise level from the diesel and ride seemed fine
-Dimensions are pretty good in terms of space, boot size etc.

My gut feeling is still that the Golf feels 'overpriced'... there seems to be nothing wrong with it but equally nothing that made me take notice and I think I may look into the Leon route a bit closer. The top of the budget would fit the new SE Copa trim (built in sat nav, parking sensors etc) on a 12 plate or similar compared to an older Golf with less kit.
 
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