Is it just me hating the horrible smoking related disease publicity

[RDM]

I guess it depends on whether they work or not. If they do, keep them on, if they don't, change them.

 

[Mercenary Keyboard Warrior]

I know its very unlikely to be allowed ? but can we have a link to this advert the OP talks about ?

Just paste as plain text or a link with a few xxxs on the end so kids cant click it..

Would that be ok ?

BBC are running part article. Its not just this one add they are regularly not very nice. This one just seems to be cropping up a lot at unexpected times

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-20805059

 

[jamesaltria]

As a non smoker I feel that smoking adverts should show how we feel about people smoking next to us. Nothing worse then someone smoking next to you and the wind blowing it all in your face

 

[Mercenary Keyboard Warrior]

I guess it depends on whether they work or not. If they do, keep them on, if they don't, change them.

I dont think they work, my view is :

Adult smokers are mainly one of two groups 1) those who don't see the need or want to stop smoking vs 2) those who already want to stop but can't or aren't yet ready to do so. So very limited impact here, maybe actually getting a few to take the plunge or moving a few from the group 1 to group 2.
I bet the normal new years resolution would have more of an effect than the adverts on group 2, although maybe it will make a few actually try from grou 2?

Kids, I don't think as I have said before it will have any effect on them as I don't believe those kids who have taken it up will relate to the adverts.

 

[Mercenary Keyboard Warrior]

Why don't they increase the age of consent for smoking by one year, every year?

That way the tax revenue would be offset by decreasing NHS costs.

Exactly what I said should happen, so over time its harder and harder for young people to legally smoke and secure the cigs.

The biggest difficulty remains demand, if demand is high enough for an illegal item or an item with high tax even if legal it opens the door for organised crime. Just the same way some push for legalisation of drugs on the hope it would at least bring in government revenue as opposed to supporting organised crime.

 

[Kamwah]

What?

Of course you can, there are degrees of everything. How the hell would you even start to be able to draw a line where you would "allow" someone to say people being called stupid for taking up smoking was allowed as you were as fit and healthy as you could be. You would have to stop practically everything that made civilisation in order to live as healthy a lifestyle as possible. Cars emissions, the food we eat, the fuels we burn to make energy etc they all affect our health so you would have to stop them in order to criticise smokers?

If I said someone was an idiot for running across a busy motorway would you object? But as soon as anyone dares call smokers idiots for starting something with significant and KNOWN health risks thats wrong?

One dictionary definition of idiot "utterly foolish or senseless person", that pretty clearly sums up people taking up smoking in my view.

Ofcourse you can't. There's a world of difference between car emissions and choosing to drink alcohol and have a bad diet.

Hypocritical tbh.

Wait so now I am stupid for not wishing to see repeated advertising that just about everyone who has mentioned it describes as "gross" thats clearly focussed on a minority.

I don't have anything specific against smokers, its just if you really want to target them then do it in specific ways.

TV adverts like most advertising have the majority of their impact on first view, banging on the same message over and over again will not suddenly change peoples minds.

The rates of smokers at a young age hardly changes, older people quit, youngsters keep taking it up. The chances are they will ignore those TV adverts as smoking is cool, they are still pretty much unable to properly correlate cause and effect.

"However, there is evidence that actual smoking rates among 15-year olds may be higher than reported, based on measurements of cotinine in saliva, with 21% of 15-year old boys and 19% of 15-year old girls having cotinine levels indicative of active smoking"

We are failing to stop those starting who should never start, trying to stop the adults 10 years or more later is a lot harder than stopping the kids in the first place. The more smoking is seen as different the more cool its likely to be amongst kids/teenagers. Its always the way that being different is cool, was the same when I was a kid and is the same now.

People are idiots, they all are and will start doing stupid things be it illegal or legal drugs. This thread is nothing but a whine and brings nothing to debate than others coming to agree with you or disagree with you.

 

[SexyGreyFox]

I hate the way those adverts force us to do things.

Then you are the target audience if they FORCE you.
You need more will power.

 

[Mercenary Keyboard Warrior]

Ofcourse you can't. There's a world of difference between car emissions and choosing to drink alcohol and have a bad diet.

I agree but equally whether I go to the gym has no relevance on smoking adverts AT ALL.

Food and being overweight is of course an issue these adverts do not tackle that at all, they are not intending to.

FYI not that it makes any difference, I am technically in the healthy zone for my height age and sex (ie not under or overweight), I drink a little but below the recommended limits (I suffer from headaches and alchohol just isn't worth the knock on effect in larger quantities). I take a little exercise but am certainly not a gym rat. My diet varies between pre-prepared and made at home, but I avoid the proper junk foods and buy top end prepared foods.

So I guess that means I am "allowed" to criticise then.

If you think the thread gives nothing then shoo your not needed. Close the door on your way out, your adding nothing /wave

 

[Johnnytoxic]

I keep hearing advertisements of E Cigarettes. "The new way to smoke".

Just doesn't seem right. I don't think E Cigarettes are yet to be proved 100% health risk free. More research needs to be done on inhaling vapour.

 

[SilverTongue]

I keep hearing advertisements of E Cigarettes. "The new way to smoke".

Just doesn't seem right. I don't think E Cigarettes are yet to be proved 100% health risk free. More research needs to be done on inhaling vapour.

The E-cigs are literally just water and nicotine, water which we drink anyway and nicotine which has been proven to have almost zero health risks

 

[Redz]

I wonder how you turn the channel over on a billboard?

Just keep your eyes closed every time you drive past the billboard. Simples.

 

[Castiel]

The E-cigs are literally just water and nicotine, water which we drink anyway and nicotine which has been proven to have almost zero health risks

Nicotine is toxic, it has an effect on your blood pressure and heart rate as well as accelerating heart and lung disease, increased risk of birth defects in pregnancy and so on, the risks of inhaling pure nicotine in this way are largely unknown at this time, needless to say that in large enough quantities (30mg or more, a normal singke cigarette has 1mg) it is fatal.

To say nicotine has proven to have almost zero health risks is disingenuous at best.

Still better than smoking.

 

[Kamwah]

I agree but equally whether I go to the gym has no relevance on smoking adverts AT ALL.

Food and being overweight is of course an issue these adverts do not tackle that at all, they are not intending to.

FYI not that it makes any difference, I am technically in the healthy zone for my height age and sex (ie not under or overweight), I drink a little but below the recommended limits (I suffer from headaches and alchohol just isn't worth the knock on effect in larger quantities). I take a little exercise but am certainly not a gym rat. My diet varies between pre-prepared and made at home, but I avoid the proper junk foods and buy top end prepared foods.

So I guess that means I am "allowed" to criticise then.

If you think the thread gives nothing then shoo your not needed. Close the door on your way out, your adding nothing /wave

More like you need to just stop posting and rethink your priorities in life. This is sad. lol

 

[Castiel]

More like you need to just stop posting and rethink your priorities in life. This is sad. lol

Oh the Irony!!!. If you don't want to participate or contribute then simply don't, you are the one coming across as rather sad. If you think the thread is offensive or against the rules somehow then rtm it.

 

[deuse]

I think smokers should be stigmatised more in society, perhaps then it would be less popular. They should also tax it more, make cigarettes £1 each or more. Also ban it in public totally

And Alcohol drinkers oh and cars as they give off toxic fumes which is worse than smoking

 

[Mercenary Keyboard Warrior]

More like you need to just stop posting and rethink your priorities in life. This is sad. lol

No your sad to keep posting in a thread you think is pointless.

Suggest you go find a thread where your "valued" opinion warrants you being there.

In fact your post would be far more beneficial directed right back at you.

Bar the lol, I see no need to lol at that comment.

I see a point in the thread hence making it and posting in it so I certainly do not need to rethink anything, your the one who has self admitted hes posting in a thread he sees no point in.

Bye.

 

[SilverTongue]

Nicotine is toxic, it has an effect on your blood pressure and heart rate as well as accelerating heart and lung disease, increased risk of birth defects in pregnancy and so on, the risks of inhaling pure nicotine in this way are largely unknown at this time, needless to say that in large enough quantities (30mg or more, a normal singke cigarette has 1mg) it is fatal.

To say nicotine has proven to have almost zero health risks is disingenuous at best.

Still better than smoking.

I stand corrected

 

[Mercenary Keyboard Warrior]

Nicotine is toxic, it has an effect on your blood pressure and heart rate as well as accelerating heart and lung disease, increased risk of birth defects in pregnancy and so on, the risks of inhaling pure nicotine in this way are largely unknown at this time, needless to say that in large enough quantities (30mg or more, a normal singke cigarette has 1mg) it is fatal.

To say nicotine has proven to have almost zero health risks is disingenuous at best.

Still better than smoking.

I didn't realise all those had been proven, quite eye opening.

Saying that there are literally hundreds of toxic chemicles in cigs plus of course they are a lot more airbourne when smoked.

So vaping is much better than smoking imo.

And also, I would say that vaping/e-cigs brings the risks down to tolerable levels of risk bringing them much more in to line with alchohol etc. Plus with the massive benefit of a significant elimination of the passive angle.

Bar a few places (eg such as planes) I don't think there should be any attempted restriction of e-cigs / vaping, although there should be some proper independant studies on if the nicotine does become airbourne.
I say planes due to the enclosed space with recycled air, but mainly due to the perceived angle of it looking wierd. In years to come it may become completely natural but right now it "looks" wrong and hence will probably cause undue alarm to some other travellers. Wasn't it the M6 coach thingy that was basically this?

 

[Kamwah]

Guys! Let's be against smoking! Complain about it on an internet forum! Same argument as the other 1000 threads on it here!

 

[Monkey00]

A different theme perhaps but in similar vein.

Great advert, if only more money was spent on this type of thing, compared to the **** we get over here.

Anyone remember that, hit me at 40 and you'll smash me into a tree, but hit me at 30 and you'll only smash me advert. Are you serious? ****ing where are you parents?