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I don't think anyone has been prosecuted for driving 1mph over the limit. If it was contested, I don't see how any magistrate could be convinced that the margin of error for a camera would be low enough to prove beyond reasonable doubt. This is why The ACPO guidance exists, to ensure that the margin of error is going to be be small enough that it doesn't impede on the prosecution.
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That's completely dependant on Police Force. Some do, most don't and there is no obligation to provide photos with the NIP.
How accurate is your speedo and how honest are you being about the speeds involved? I'd be quite surprised if a camera flash at an indicated 67 or 68 resulted in a prosecution. I'm doing barely 61/62 at that kind of indicated speed. If it was more like indicated 77/78 however.....especially if you had to.accelerate more than anticipated
Anyway, wait 2 weeks for a letter and take it from there, nothing that can be done now
Anyway, wait 2 weeks for a letter and take it from there, nothing that can be done now
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Was he in a better car than yours? Often it's hatchbacks and the like that try to overtake people when there is no need to! 40 in a 60 is hardly THAT slow.
I couldn't personally care less what's infront of me, if someone is doing 40 on a Nsl road when the conditions are fine for doing the limit ill overtake when safe, regardless of.whether its a micra or an m3. I personally think 40 on a road that's an easy 60 is plenty slow enough to be overtaken.
According to my TomTom it's pretty spot on.
I'm being as honest as possible about the speeds. Although when I said ~70 I do mean more than 70 but no more than 75.
As such when I lifted when I passed (just in front of the camera) I was below 70 but above 65 with engine breaking (MX5 MK2's don't want to go that fast
)The way I feel it played out is that the camera (on my side of the road) would have detected cars traveling above 68 but by the time I passed through I would be doing more like 65 or slightly less as I intentionally didn't break - just lifted my foot right off.
Ach, it's all pretty irrelevant anyway. As you say, wait it out and pay the consequences - just a crap Christmas present!
Well, define better. Think it was a newer ford estate of some sort. Probably a more powerful engine than mine but I love my car to bits and is easily "better" than any other car on the road
I agree, 40 in a 60 isn't that slow at all - but 30 round EVERY windy section and speeding on the straights just made him to be a very unnerving person to be behind. I figured by passing it be able to maintain a higher average speed and thus make some distance.
The one time he was doing 40 on a straight rather than shooting off felt like a good time to just pass and be done with him - but obviously not.
But, lesson learned - hopefully I won't be coming back with the same story in the future!
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Try not to sweat it. Remember not all cameras have film in them or are fully operational. I know quite a few people who have been flashed by a Gatso and never heard anymore.
Thankfully, I've only encountered one pillock that has sped up as I've gone to overtake.
He was going 30 in a 60, I started a safe slow overtake in 5th, as many of you know Honda vtec is really gutless in 5th. It was a long stretch so it didn't matter.
He then sped up to about 50 as I was next to him doing 40 ish. Cue 2nd gear (40 to 60 vtec)
He was going 30 in a 60, I started a safe slow overtake in 5th, as many of you know Honda vtec is really gutless in 5th. It was a long stretch so it didn't matter.
He then sped up to about 50 as I was next to him doing 40 ish. Cue 2nd gear
(40 to 60 vtec)
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I really hope you're joking!
If not, you're one of the worst things about driving these days. What on earth does it matter what sort of car wants to overtake you?
If you're happy tootling along at 40 and the car behind wants to do 60, what difference does it make to you?
Don't suppose you ever look in your rear-view mirror and spot that massive queue of cars behind you do you.
And for what it's worth, 40mph in a 60 is two thirds the speed limit, it is THAT slow!
this is why i positively love the midrange acceleration of my car though at the same time it does put you into silly numbers quite quickly
I remember when my car was in for a service, and i had an X1 2.0D as a courtesy car...due to the lag and way boost comes in it actually felt quite quick, and I went to overtake a 2.2 TDCI mondeo doing 40 in a 60 on a country road near my old house....cue him deciding he wanted to accelerate for the first time in the 4 miles ive been following him. I'd gotten my rear wheels level with his front wheels by the time I'd realised we were in an acceleration stalemate....I shouldve slammed on and pulled back in behind but it's difficult to do in that situation, so I appreciate your scenario completely! Only just got infront of him before a corner, and it was a very long straight! Was definitely going faster than I'd intended by the end of that ordeal.
In my car I probably wouldnt have even noticed that he'd tried to block the overtake
though at the same time it does put you into silly numbers quite quicklyI remember when my car was in for a service, and i had an X1 2.0D as a courtesy car...due to the lag and way boost comes in it actually felt quite quick, and I went to overtake a 2.2 TDCI mondeo doing 40 in a 60 on a country road near my old house....cue him deciding he wanted to accelerate for the first time in the 4 miles ive been following him. I'd gotten my rear wheels level with his front wheels by the time I'd realised we were in an acceleration stalemate....I shouldve slammed on and pulled back in behind but it's difficult to do in that situation, so I appreciate your scenario completely! Only just got infront of him before a corner, and it was a very long straight! Was definitely going faster than I'd intended by the end of that ordeal.
In my car I probably wouldnt have even noticed that he'd tried to block the overtake
Gutted for you.
I often wind it up to 80 to pass someone on a NSL road if they put their foot down and would be very stuffed if there were a camera there.
Is there an appeals process for these? Seems like "Safely completing an overtake after the person I was overtaking sped up" seems like it should be a legit defence especially if you were only doing 65.
Pioneer are you trolling or do you often feel the need to do 40 in a 60 (extreme weather conditions aside)?
I often wind it up to 80 to pass someone on a NSL road if they put their foot down and would be very stuffed if there were a camera there.
Is there an appeals process for these? Seems like "Safely completing an overtake after the person I was overtaking sped up" seems like it should be a legit defence especially if you were only doing 65.
Pioneer are you trolling or do you often feel the need to do 40 in a 60 (extreme weather conditions aside)?
perhaps he knew where the camera was ...... and was goading you ..
This happened to me, wasnt a gatso but an actual police car, I was doing 120mph to overtake this idiot biker playing the same games..I got played
Got no points, but £120 fine and 1 month ban, quite light really!
Had to go to court though
In some ways I think I'd prefer court, fine and a ban - would at least allow me to state my side of the story and as I don't drive much (~7,000 miles in 2 years) a ban would be fine.
For this reason though they'd probably not see fit to "just" ban me.
Getting points on my licence is going to jack up my insurance and mean I'll be paying for it for years to come
For this reason though they'd probably not see fit to "just" ban me.
Getting points on my licence is going to jack up my insurance and mean I'll be paying for it for years to come
What's the rule with doing 40 in a 40. And then someone goes for the overtake as you cross the nsl line?
I'm within my right to speed up, as it's gone from 40 to a 60 right?
That's a different scenario though isn't it, there's a fair difference between what could just be a misinterpretation of intended moves and someone either deliberately trying to slow down / annoy the car behind or to have such a massive chip on your shoulder that you'd intentionally leave someone dangerously on the wrong side of the road. I've actually had the situation you describe myself where I've put the foot down unaware the guy behind was going to try an overtake as we approached the nsl. He had moved out safely a reasonable distance behind me just at the same time i'd started to accelerate, as it happens he either backed out as I sped up or wasn't able to keep up with the car I was in at the time anyway and quickly pulled back in so there was no real harm done.
I should probably have backed off once I realised he had moved out but I suspect the guy would have moved back in anyway and we would have ended up just getting in each others way
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