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Rational reasoning right here.
Have we become too 'accepting'.
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Rational reasoning right here.
My brother, who has broken a bone 3 times in the past 2 years since taking up motorcross, is hurting himself. I don't see quite the same thing with these people who are effectively cosplaying.
I think we've improved in some ways but gone downhill in others.
Consumerism is set to be on the rise by all accounts and that only means more judgement by what you own. "Oh my god you don't wear this new hip brand, oh my god you don't won apple products"
Then again racism and homophobia are definitely less prevalent than in past years.
Morning all.
Last night the other half was watching this documentary on 'Adult Babies' who are as you can probably guess, adults who dress up as babies and pretend to act like babies (i.e. have their nappies changed, be fed by there 'Mum' or 'Dad'.)
Watching the show, it was clear that these adults all had very bad childhoods (domestic violence, parents divorce etc.) and want to re-live their childhood as they believe they should have lived it.
These people need psychiatric help but people just seem to 'accept' that it's OK.
I believe we accept to many things because we've all been brought up to accept other people for their oddities because they're 'special' and that everyone is different and we should not judge.
But how can the human race progress and evolve when we're to busy accepting people for obvious mental health issues instead of trying to cure them.
Have we become to accepting or am I just being a moaning ol' .....
You don't need to accept it, you just need to accept it's none of your business. You can't stop them and you shouldn't be able to.
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I don't like Death Metal and can't understand why anyone would.
Maybe we should ban it.
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Maybe we should ban it.
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You can't change your gender. Let's be honest.
How many guys here would date and have sex with a "girl" who used to be a man?
That's right, almost none.
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I completely agree. The question on this is what defines gender; is it psychological or purely anatomical or indeed both. Some people think they're male when they are in a female body. They would say they are male and you're right, they can't change that, no matter how much some parts of society thinks they should.
Lets be honest... Don't you think it would be entirely specific to the circumstances, you may say you wouldn't but you might.
I have no doubt some people are, for reasons unknown, at conflict within themselves.
But having "gender reassignment" surgery is not going to make them something they aren't, no matter how much they want to be/feel they are already.
The reality is if you're born with dangly bits you're male, for all intents and purposes. It's sad that some people are dis-satisfied with their gender, it really is.
I also wonder how many people who have ops live to regret it later?
That's quite a simplification of his views. It wasn't that he was being prejudiced against transexuals, it was a case of him saying that if that's what they want or need to do to make themselves feel better and live a fulfilling life, then great, but he won't accept that they have genuinely changed their gender.
I think it's wrong to force acceptance on people of such matters. There are people who have opinions on transexualism that amount to "HERP DERP NOPE NOPE NOPE SHOULDN'T BE ALLOWED BAN", but there are others who believe that surgery doesn't change a man in to a woman, or a woman in to a man.
The fact is that surgery doesn't change them but whether that matters is up to whoever is involved in such a situation. For me, it's about changing the physical identity, which I don't believe really changes you.
For example, if Michael Jackson wanted people to accept him as a white man, I think he'd have a hard time getting people to accept and agree that he's a white man because of the surgery he's had to change his outward appearance.
What makes it prejudice is how you decide to conduct yourself towards such a person, and simply refusing to accept that they can change gender in itself isn't prejudice.
Neurological studies show that these persons literally have the wrong brain for their physical gender, using surgery to modify the exterior is perfectly reasonable and for any reasoned mind would result in a physical change of gender. There's simply no argument against, you may have an opinion and that's okay but it doesn't mean that your opinion is of any value.
That's not the argument. No one's denying that the surgery will make them feel better, happier, more comfortable in themselves.
The argument is an external one, to a lot of people, that person hasn't changed gender, as they don't believe it's possible to do so with surgery regardless of whether the person feels they have or not.
Like FoxEye said, the vast majority of people wouldn't want to be intimate with someone who had had a sex change as most people tend to not accept that gender can be changed with surgery.
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Look, we did this to death in the other thread and everyone has their opinions.
I think this also proves that the OP's original point that we can be accepting is false. I've removed the 'too' for obvious reasons.
I think this also proves that the OP's original point that we can be accepting is false. I've removed the 'too' for obvious reasons.
Oh, I see.
Personally I don't see an issue, which is probably where I'm coming from and why I went off on a tangent.
We see issues like this all the time in society, people's perceptions and beliefs clouding what's actually going on and the true reality of a given situation. People make snap decisions, they make up their mind and that's that.
Hand on heart if I invested months of time getting to know someone that I identified as female, fell in love then revealed they had a sex reassignment surgery to me, I believe I would be able to continue the relationship.
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Personally, I don't believe people should be restricted from doing it, so that's not where I'm coming from.
Additionally, I'd like to expect most people would be very up front about their past in the case of being transsexual out of respect for prospective partners, as it's not really up to them to decide of it's okay or not.
That's ridiculous, you don't tell your new prospective partner right off the bat that you had a thing with your cousin when you were 13 and had group fun at a party one time. You'd give it time and build up a relationship before you reveal any of that. Why would you expect anything different from someone that changed their sex?
Everyone has something that they'd rather not reveal to every Tom, Dick or Harriet right at the very beginning of a potential relationship.
Everyone has something that they'd rather not reveal to every Tom, Dick or Harriet right at the very beginning of a potential relationship.
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Because some people don't believe that you can change gender, and considering the situation it should be up to the person who's had the surgery to be very up front about it.
It's not ridiculous, and to compare it with "that you had a thing with your cousin when you were 13 and hand group fun at a party one time" is what's ridiculous as it's completely different.