Have we become too 'accepting'.

[Mitzy]

If the person cares at that stage, then they shouldn't be in a relationship together anyway, if they're fine, then great for the both of them.

Didn't respond to the bit I haven't quote of yours as I've already covered that in my previous response to FoxEye.

But this is all I've alluded to, people should talk about these things with the prospective partners, if somebody jumps the gun and assumes previous gender that's nobodies fault but their own. If they discuss it and break up fine, if not fine. If they have a kiss and a cuddle then find out, break up/don't fine. All these things happen, it's not a crime.

 

[Pestilence]

Only on OcUK could a discussion start with "Are adult babies just too weird to be tolerated? Are we too forgiving nowadays?" and result in "Michael Jackson was a weird white woman."

 

[FoxEye]

Didn't respond to the bit I haven't quote of yours as I've already covered that in my previous response to FoxEye.

But this is all I've alluded to, people should talk about these things with the prospective partners, if somebody jumps the gun and assumes previous gender that's nobodies fault but their own. If they discuss it and break up fine, if not fine. If they have a kiss and a cuddle then find out, break up/don't fine. All these things happen, it's not a crime.

If it's got to the kiss cuddle stage, and the bloke (the real one) still doesn't know, then it's 100% because the "girl" has deceived him through her appearance.

It's no different than dressing as a Police Officer (deception & illegal) or wearing a disguise, and then using your new appearance to do something you couldn't otherwise.

And when the (real) bloke finds out, the chances are very high that's the end of the relationship. Because no bloke I know would even consider taking such a relationship forwards.

So I guess everyone I know is ignorant and backwards.

 

[Jason2]

Transsexuals should tell their respective partners that they were a man/woman beforehand. I find honesty is the best policy. Not only that, whenever the man has not been told, it's always ended very badly. In that I mean, murder. Bloke from my area killed his partner when he found she used to be a man. Not good.

 

[Mitzy]

That was never the argument though, and my example is very relevant because you keep coming out with;

I said that once in one post. But it would help if you read over my entire post keeping in mind what I was responding to. Which was this

How does a legal standpoint effect something that isn't confined within the realms of politics? What man made, non scientific law states doesn't alter the facts one iota. If the law was changed tomorrow to state dogs are in fact fish, are you going to accept that or use a little common sense and appreciate the politics behind such a law? Anyhow not even worth discussing, about as insightful as debating wether we breath in oxygen or not.

Now to my entire response to the above post you replied to me with the following.

So Michael Jackson was Caucasian then, I see.

This just doesn't follow, it doesn't even make sense.

My point about Michael Jackson shows that your example doesn't work. You have to apply it universally or not at all.

You didn't have a point, he didn't start off Caucasian.

I never said they should be "treated" differently or have act differently due to the way they look.

But you did say

Additionally, I'd like to expect most people would be very up front about their past in the case of being transsexual out of respect for prospective partners, as it's not really up to them to decide of it's okay or not.

So you do expect transsexuals to be very upfront about their past, to be clear I'm not saying they shouldn't, they really should but no more so than any other person but again two reasonable people exploring a potential relationship would by rights discuss these things.

Just because people don't accept that a man can become a woman (and the other way around), it doesn't have to mean anything beyond that.

Absolutely, but I would hazard a guess that you and I would understand that such a position is born from lack of understanding.

Do you think people should be treated differently due to how they look?

No.

 

[Woden]

If it's got to the kiss cuddle stage, and the bloke (the real one) still doesn't know, then it's 100% because the "girl" has deceived him through her appearance.

No looking at old photos of your girlfriend? No chats about your past? None of her family/friends acidently let slip?
While she should full well tell you before things get too deep (not right off the bat, "Hi I'm Sarah, used to be called Dave") it is not 100% on the girl. If you haven't gotten to know her, then all you care about is appearance, in which case, what does it matter?

It's no different than dressing as a Police Officer (deception & illegal) or wearing a disguise, and then using your new appearance to do something you couldn't otherwise.

Except it is very different isn't it? They are not out to trick people, they are simply living their lives as who they feel they are

And when the (real) bloke finds out, the chances are very high that's the end of the relationship. Because no bloke I know would even consider taking such a relationship forwards.

So I guess everyone I know is ignorant and backwards.

No one, in this thread at least, is saying they shouldn't be told. What's being said is it need not be right at the start of a relationship.

 

[Jason2]

No looking at old photos of your girlfriend? No chats about your past? None of her family/friends acidently let slip?
While she should full well tell you before things get too deep (not right off the bat, "Hi I'm Sarah, used to be called Dave") it is not 100% on the girl. If you haven't gotten to know her, then all you care about is appearance, in which case, what does it matter?



Except it is very different isn't it? They are not out to trick people, they are simply living their lives as who they feel they are



No one, in this thread at least, is saying they shouldn't be told. What's being said is it need not be right at the start of a relationship.

And why not? When would be a good time? After sex? "Oh btw I used to be a man". Can't see that going down well, can you?

 

[Mitzy]

If it's got to the kiss cuddle stage, and the bloke (the real one) still doesn't know, then it's 100% because the "girl" has deceived him through her appearance.

Deception is such a strong word. The person has a female brain, they think like a female their body looks female, do you really believe it's straight forward deception. The man willingly kissed and cuddled and couldn't tell the difference, almost as if there was no difference really, no? What is the difference?

It's no different than dressing as a Police Officer (deception & illegal) or wearing a disguise, and then using your new appearance to do something you couldn't otherwise.

It's very different, the real equivalent would be a child knowing from childhood that he wanted to be a Police Officer and while growing up made all the decisions that would eventually lead to him/her becoming one. He/she would be a Police Officer. Someone deciding to put on the uniform in order to obtain or do something they could otherwise not is illegal, impersonating a Police Officer is illegal. Changing your legal and physical identity from either sex is not.

And when the (real) bloke finds out, the chances are very high that's the end of the relationship. Because no bloke I know would even consider taking such a relationship forwards.

Do you know anyone that has been in that position?

So I guess everyone I know is ignorant and backwards.

?

 

[Mitzy]

And why not? When would be a good time? After sex? "Oh btw I used to be a man". Can't see that going down well, can you?

When is the right time indeed, see, you don't know, I don't know. You'd really have to play it by ear and decide like an adult when the best time was. Same as anything really.

 

[FoxEye]

But as a m2f, why set yourself up for heartache and losing someone you've grown fond of? No matter what stage of the "relationship" you are at, there is a very good chance the guy will leave you when he finds you used to be a man also. The more emotional attachment by that stage, the harder it will be for both. And the more "deceived" the man will feel.

I see it as lose/lose unless the m2f says what she is from day 0.

 

[Mitzy]

But as a m2f, why set yourself up for heartache and losing someone you've grown fond of? No matter what stage of the "relationship" you are at, there is a very good chance the guy will leave you when he finds you used to be a man also. The more emotional attachment by that stage, the harder it will be for both. And the more "deceived" the man will feel.

I see it as lose/lose unless the m2f says what she is from day 0.

I think we're confusing this a bit, you wouldn't necessarily need to be in a girlfriend/boyfriend stage to bring this up. You could be at the stage were your sussing each other out or whenever really. You don't need to say (when you first meet), Hi my name is Jenny I used to be known as John and I find you attractive.

I agree with the sentiment of what you're saying though.

 

[Woden]

And why not? When would be a good time? After sex? "Oh btw I used to be a man". Can't see that going down well, can you?

How fast do you work man? I admit I haven't been in many relationships but there is usually a time gap between the start of one and jumping in the sack.

But as a m2f, why set yourself up for heartache and losing someone you've grown fond of? No matter what stage of the "relationship" you are at, there is a very good chance the guy will leave you when he finds you used to be a man also. The more emotional attachment by that stage, the harder it will be for both. And the more "deceived" the man will feel.

I see it as lose/lose unless the m2f says what she is from day 0.

I don't think anyone here is qualified to talk about the emotional state of any transsexual. Heck i don't understand genetic women!
All three women I had a relationship with knew of my mental health problems, from quite early on. What I didn't do was introduce myself as Martin the psychotic. And I certainly wouldn't tell a one night stand (or ever have one but that's another matter), none of their business.

 

[ZG002]

He was the "baby" how could that make him a paedo?

No he wasn't, he was playing carer of the young lass who was playing the baby, You are confused with the English couple who moved to America surely?

The older couple etc I thought good god but meh, That guy looking after the younger lass as she acted as a baby and he still had sexual relations with her etc, Him I found worrying tbh.