New AMD gaming system

Lazder said:
3570k is still better... but gap is small... we are talking 3-5 fps.
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Well, we're not.
Title and GPU set up depending, 3-5 FPS doesn't fit all games, and certainly not the majority of games.

I'd love to see a 3-5 FPS difference in the games I play, I'd get an FX8350 right now.
 
FFS another intel fan boy spam.

Why has every 1 just gone intel are better for gaming?

The Op hasn't once said he even plays games?

He might render all day long then AMD will wipe the floor with a 3570K and match a
3770K.

23 posts later and I have seen 2 posts that are actually helpful.

Op what do you plan on using the system for? Rendering? encoding? Gaming?
 
He said it's for gaming Passey.
And Intel are better for gaming (Price point and overclocking dependant), now we've got a budget, wouldn't surprise me to see AMD and Intel builds being specified.

You can do better than saying it's Intel fanboy spam.

EDIT : Also, I'm sure you've said multiple times it's best to go Intel for gaming if buying brand new, are going back on that as you're now an invested Piledriver owner? (Not that I think the stance is true, as it's dependant on a few factors)
I've tried to be completely as unbiased as possible in this thread. Buy the best to his 500 pound budget, we're just waiting on the OP to fill in the last questions.
 
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Intel on Bulldozer was dreadful and indeed price vs performance was crap compared to the Intel chips.

Piledriver is faster (15-20%) AND cheaper than Bulldozer, with prices specifically used to put them in line with similar Intel chips (the same technique AMD has used for years).

Take a single price point and you'll find that the AMD and Intel chips are very comparable. The AMD will likely have more cores making it better in rendering/3d/photography/audio work, the Intel is NORMALLY but not always better in gaming, but not by very much. Intel chips seem to overclock better (or rather, better improvement once overclocked) but again, not so significantly as most people would really notice in use.

AMD motherboards are also better priced, a fact people often seem to ignore when looking at processor price points.

The fastest Intels are better than the fastest AMD, which is where a lot of the "Intel is better" seems to come from, but since AMD placed each chip to target the Intel one below it in the range, things have evened out significantly in the price vs performance debate. For gaming you're probably marginally better with Intel, for rendering or multitasking, AMD.

Either way, you're probably getting about the same performance for the same amount of money, once you factor in processor and motherboard.
 
its not intel fanboy spam, i know 4 people who have bought amd in past 2 years and all are going over to intel as there beyond disapointed with how long their cpu seems to be lasting / coping with the newer games. they all got sucked into the whole 6 core processors advertisements and thought more cores must be better.

Intel > AMD for gaming its just a fact and although OP has stated he wants AMD he has also said he isnt up to scratch with latest parts so we need to make him aware of all choices available to him.

Dont you need a really good CPU heatsink an motherboard to get a good overclock off the AMD chips as their Max safe temp is like 60-70 degrees?

wheras lower motherboard with decent intel chip and average cpu heatsink will provide a good overclock and be more cost effective?

i could be wrong?
 
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Tbh, I think an FX6300 with a moderate board and overclocking is probably the best for the OP, but there's no promises SR will be AM3+ even if it is touted as such right now.
With SR being 2014, and AMD not having PCI-E 3.0 boards yet, you can bet we're at least going to have new boards with chipset.
 
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I see yet again nobody has asked the opening poster if he intends to overclock.
Fairly important question in any spec me thread really.
 
I do not intend to overclock, maybe later in the future. Another thing that I have come across, is that most motherboards come with SLI. I am going to use only 1 graphics card. I do not need more slots. Last mobo I had was an EVGA 780 or 680 i cant really remember, and it had 3-way SLI which I never used. What do you suggest I should buy?

I found this one but I dont know about performance
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MB-501-AS&groupid=701&catid=1903&subcat=2046
 
alrosh7 said:
I do not intend to overclock, maybe later in the future. Another thing that I have come across, is that most motherboards come with SLI. I am going to use only 1 graphics card. I do not need more slots. Last mobo I had was an EVGA 780 or 680 i cant really remember, and it had 3-way SLI which I never used. What do you suggest I should buy?

I found this one but I dont know about performance
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MB-501-AS&groupid=701&catid=1903&subcat=2046
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If you don't intend to overclock then you don't need a fancy board like that.

At 500 quid, I'd do this.

140 quid CPU.
50 quid Board.
35 quid RAM.
60 quid HDD.
30 quid Case.
50 quid PSU.
135 quid GPU.

Doesn't help a few prices are out of whack.

I'd expect an 8GB, i5 3470, 7850 2GB, 1TB system at 500 quid to be honest.
But absolutely no issues going for the same base rig with an FX8320 instead at the same price.
 
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passey89 said:
FFS another intel fan boy spam.

Why has every 1 just gone intel are better for gaming?

The Op hasn't once said he even plays games?

He might render all day long then AMD will wipe the floor with a 3570K and match a
3770K.

23 posts later and I have seen 2 posts that are actually helpful.

Op what do you plan on using the system for? Rendering? encoding? Gaming?
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I think the thread title "New AMD gaming system" kind of gives you a hint :D
 
My system plays games well (I'm not into checking fps all the time just as long as it runs smooth) so a decent single graphics card and an fx6300 will do the job.

I've not used an intel pc so I can't compare or anything but I'm happy with what my computer can do an it didn't cost a fortune.

My motherboard is an m5a88-v evo
 
Ideally I would want something like this.........

YOUR BASKET
1 x Intel Core i5-3570K 3.40GHz (Ivybridge) Socket LGA1155 Processor (77W) - Retail £167.99
1 x HIS HD 7850 IceQ X 2048MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card (H785QN2G2M) £155.99
1 x Asus P8Z77-V LX2 Intel Z77 (Socket 1155) DDR3 Motherboard £69.98
1 x Toshiba (7K1000.D) 1TB SATA 6GB/s 32MB Cache - OEM (DT01ACA100) £54.98
1 x Corsair Builder Series CX 500w Modular '80 Plus Bronze' Power Supply (CP-9020059-UK) £49.99
1 x Patriot Viper "Black Mamba" Generation 3 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 PC3-15000C9 1866MHz Dual Channel Kit (PV38G186C9K) £41.99
1 x Xigmatek Asgard Pro Gaming Case - Black £32.99
1 x OcUK 24x DVD±RW SATA ReWriter (Black) - OEM £15.98
Total : £604.00 (includes shipping : £11.75).



£100 over budget though. Dropping to the i3 would bring it much closer to the £500 budget but if it was my money, I would keep the i5K and try and source a 2nd hand 6850 or 1GB 460. THey go for around £50 if you can find one and that puts the build on budget.

AMD isn't really competitive. The 8350 sucks more power out of the wall socket at stock than a overclocked i5K. The OP said he isn't really bothered with overclocking but it's incredibly simple to do, with a K CPU you simply up the multiplier for mild overclocks. Overclocking the GPU also is incredibly easy and provides improved performance, I still run a 1GB 460 in my HTPC which i have oc'd to 850-900Mhz (weather depending) along with the new drivers I still find it capable for my needs.

Rather than me type on and on I shall LINK tiny tom logans review of the 8350. Skip to 35mins if you want the conclusion and have no patience for his art of waffling ;)
 
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