Weight gain when gymming

Swampyseifer said:
Thanks for the comments...lets not forget that it is what I had today, it varies day to day. there is so much (often conflicting) opinion out there on what is "best" to eat, I personally dont worry too much...this kind of diet has led to me loosing 11.5st, so I dont think there is any need to tighten it even more.

I dont drink coke all the time...rarely in fact. I dont think it being unneccesary is that important. Plus it is diet coke which means that although it may contain nothing my body needs, its not full of sugar.

I think NOTHING is probably the worst breakfast you can have. I have no intention of getting out of bed 30mins earlier to make a cooked breakfast everyday. :D

The yoghurt is 0% fat, so again probably like the coke its not that i need it, but I dont think it does any real harm to have it. I certainly dont want a fruit salad for lunch, I'm already eating an apple, banana and raspberries...much more fruit in the day and I'll get the runs. Often my lunch is a salad though (lettuce, tomato, cucumber etc)

My weekend treat is a 200g bar dairy milk chocolate...has been for 2 years and its never done me any harm!
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The problem is that you seem to have a fair few misconceptions about dieting.

You are also focusing too much on weight. If you're buidling muscle and trying to lose body fat, it's best not to have a goal weight because it doesn't have much in the way of relevance.

Fat in your food doesn't equate fat in to your body, eating fat is actually good for you.

Drinking diet drinks is bad pretty much full stop because of the sweeteners. Your body reacts to it due to the sweet taste, and releases insulin even though you haven't actually consumed sugar.

The normal sugary soft drinks are better for you than the diet crap with sweeteners.

As for a cooked breakfast, that wasn't necessarily the advice, the advice was more that breakfast cereals aren't particularly nutritious compared to eating GOOD food.

Something protein based, sausages, bacon, whatever type of meat you like really, would be more beneficial for breakfast. Something with a bit of fat in it too to give you energy.

I personally like to have a GOOD meal for breakfast, so I have things like proper meals. People often scoff at this simply because it's not "normal", but that's just general "western culture" where people take breakfast to mean a specific meal type, rather than just a time of the day that you eat.

You are focusing too much on the type of foods you think are "healthy" so you're ignoring good nutritional stuff. I don't think there are many people in this sub forum that would advocate a fruit salad as a viable good lunch.
 
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The thing is, when you have a cooked breakfast it keeps your hunger at bay long enough till it's time for dinner, that's why you can have a fruit salad without getting hungry
 
jamesaltria said:
Stop right there. Ditch the coke, it's not necessary. Also, your breakfast needs changing. Cereal is the WORST breakfast you can have. Grill some bacon and have poached eggs with it. As for your lunch, try a fruit salad and get rid of that yoghurt! Instead, have yoghurt as maybe a weekend treat? As for dinner, stick to meats! You want to stack up on as much protein as your body allows. The amount of protein your body can take in is 1.5x your body weight in KG. For example, I weight 60kg which means in 24 hours my body can take in 90g of protein, the excess gets stored as fat. Hope I helped.
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http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/nutrition/excess-protein-and-fat-storage-qa.html

Might be worth a read. Hope I helped :)
 
Yeah, the crazy thing with this stuff is more stuff gets studied then it changes everyone's thinking :D
 
Morba said:
Yeah, the crazy thing with this stuff is more stuff gets studied then it changes everyone's thinking :D
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The problem with that article is that it's not specified what actually happens to the excess protein.

From what I've learnt, if you eat a huge excess of protein, the chances are it will be released in your urine. A small excess and it could be used for a number of things: transamination to acetyl CoA to be used for ATP, gluconeogensis to raise blood glucose levels and afterwhich it could be converted to glycogen or adipose tissue (fat).

I'm not really sure I understand that article or believe too much about what it's saying.
 
But food isn't actually "turned" in to fat is it? The fat cells store the energy and increase in size, and the amount of fat cells people have is constant, they just increase in size.
 
Swampyseifer said:
Normally at the gym I spend around 30mins on cardio (jogging, situps/pressups and cycling) and 30 mins on weights (fixed machines for bicep, tricep, thighs and quads).

Do you think that maybe I should pull back on the weights and concentrate more on cardio?
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Step 1) Do a proper weights routine.

That is all.

Your weight fluctuation certainly isn't down to gaining muscle, at most it might be glycogen storage and water.

Keep doing some cardio, but do weights and tweak your diet.
 
spoffle said:
But food isn't actually "turned" in to fat is it? The fat cells store the energy and increase in size, and the amount of fat cells people have is constant, they just increase in size.
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Excess calories are turned into fat, it's not as simple as that but in general terms that's what happens. Not all excess though, as some will be turned into glycogen. And the amount of fat cells can increase in both number and size.
 
jamesaltria said:
Thanks for that! Interesting stuff. Everyone gets told different things. Always nice to hear new stuff :)
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Glad you responded that way to Morba's link mate :)
Some people would just sit and argue that their 'opinion' was right and that's that.

It seems that over the past few years there has been so much more research done with results contradicting what we used to believe. Having been training for 25 years, i have to be careful not to repeat age old mantras that simply aren't true anymore, more so now than ever.

OP has done so well shedding almost half his own bodyweight.
Personally i'd allow the odd can of coke, but totally agree, change the frosties for poached/scrambled egg and grilled bacon. Can't beat that for brekkie anyway :D. Or at the least porridge instead of sugared cereals.
 
Yep BJ, its easy to say something that a lot of people thought was right 2 years ago, let alone 10 or 20.
It's all good though, the more that is researched (over and over) and shown to be correct the more right we can all be :)
 
I'm only little as it is, I blame my fat ass and mavity pulling me down to earth making me shorter :p
 
I'm not suggesting I know best and I don't doubt I could eat healthier but what I eat now is certainly healthier than how I used to eat and is probably healthier than most people. I'm not being rude but I didn't start this thread to debate my current diet, as pointed out I've lost nearly half my body weight but I'm not looking to eat perfectly. I like to have a can of coke now and then, I like my cereal and I like my yoghurt...
 
Swampyseifer said:
I'm not suggesting I know best and I don't doubt I could eat healthier but what I eat now is certainly healthier than how I used to eat and is probably healthier than most people. I'm not being rude but I didn't start this thread to debate my current diet, as pointed out I've lost nearly half my body weight but I'm not looking to eat perfectly. I like to have a can of coke now and then, I like my cereal and I like my yoghurt...
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Yeah, good for you mate. If you cut out everything you like then eating would be boring and you'd 'crave' a lot more.

There's plenty on here (i'll include myself too) who do have differing levels of experience and knowledge in diet and training and will naturally try and advise a better diet. Sometimes [we] can go overboard with advice, when it aint always needed. No need to be too scientific about it. You've managed fine without so far without it.
If you're happy with your diet right now, then don't change it.
When you are ready to take it a step further, there's plenty on here who will be willing to help out. :)
 
Swampyseifer said:
I'm not suggesting I know best and I don't doubt I could eat healthier but what I eat now is certainly healthier than how I used to eat and is probably healthier than most people. I'm not being rude but I didn't start this thread to debate my current diet, as pointed out I've lost nearly half my body weight but I'm not looking to eat perfectly. I like to have a can of coke now and then, I like my cereal and I like my yoghurt...
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You've missed the point entirely. You are focusing on weight alone and ignoring everything else around it.

Setting goal weights aren't always realistic. An increase in weight isn't necessarily a bad thing.

Your diet is being debated because it's of importance to your original question.

No one is saying that there's anything wrong with a can of coke, yoghurt, or cereal as such.

What is being said is that DIET cokes are worse for you than the normal sugary stuff, so if you're having it as a treat, you may as well just stick to the real stuff.

That cereal for breakfast isn't particularly nutritional, and that 0% fat yoghurt isn't "okay" because it's 0% fat because eating fat in your diet doesn't work like that.

Eating fat is good for you, low fat foods are generally crap because fat is where the flavour is, if they take it out, then they have to make up the flavor some other way, and generally it's with crap.
 
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