Men are OPPRESSED

Biohazard · 10 Jan 2013 at 08:31

Hmmm I can see what you guys mean, what a seriously crap effort at trying to formulate your own thoughts. :rolleyes:

In any event I again disagree, positive "action" is required in certain circumstances to level a playing field. Nothing more.

Richie · 10 Jan 2013 at 08:35

Biohazard said:
Hmmm I can see what you guys mean, what a seriously crap effort at trying to formulate your own thoughts.

I assume you are pointing this to the OP as opposed to the above couple of replies?

I do agree with you about what is called positive discrimination. Using the scales analogy again - In order to get them level, a larger weight needs to be put on the smaller side to get things started.... As long as it is not weighted too much though or else it goes swinging the other way....

I just HATE that phrase as it is such an oxymoron (I note you use "action" however) - there nothing POSITIVE about DISCRIMINATION

Biohazard · 10 Jan 2013 at 08:38

Richie said:
I assume you are pointing this to the OP as opposed to the above couple of replies?

I do agree with you about what is called positive discrimination. I just HATE that phrase as it is such an oxymoron - there nothing POSITIVE about DISCRIMINATION

Yes, sorry, to you and plat but speak aloud to the OP. ;p

Agreed. Hence why I called it positive action. We do need to step away from undoing disadvantage and calling it discrimination.

Richie · 10 Jan 2013 at 08:40

Biohazard said:
Yes, sorry, to you and plat but speak aloud to the OP. ;p

Agreed. Hence why I called it positive action. We do need to step away from undoing disadvantage and calling it discrimination.

np... I edited my post above yours to add about you using "action" and to add the analogy as well (not sure how well the analogy fits mind)

eatcustard · 10 Jan 2013 at 08:42

I dont feel oppressed
Straight men > other types of men

The fat one eyed lesbian dwarf told me to say that :eek:

Ilikeitblackplease · 10 Jan 2013 at 08:44

Biohazard said:
Hmmm I can see what you guys mean, what a seriously crap effort at trying to formulate your own thoughts. In any event I again disagree, positive "action" is required in certain circumstances to level a playing field. Nothing more.

Positive action creates over use. the reason why I have started to think this way, last night my mates friend was taken into hospital for attempted suicide.
His wife won the court battle, over the kid, had too hand over the family home which was his parents and given to him before he even got married and had the kid, has to pay a huge amount out of his wage to his wife.
He lives been living in bed sit for a year unable too afford a flat, on top of that while he was married his wife was cheating on him and to top it off his wife was the one that wanted a divorce.
From what i understand he never cheated on his wife, which got me thinking about how crap men really have it.

Biohazard · 10 Jan 2013 at 08:45

Can we have a poll?

Can I even request a poll in someone else's thread?

Poll said:
Are you;

1. Oppressed.
2. Depressed.
3. Ghey.
4. Funky

platypus · 10 Jan 2013 at 08:49

Let me request a fourth option: ticking along nicely

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smelly_legend · 10 Jan 2013 at 08:50

not all men are oppressed.

Richie · 10 Jan 2013 at 08:50

matdom said:
Positive action creates over use. the reason why I have started to think this way, last night my mates friend was taken into hospital for attempted suicide.
His wife won the court battle, over the kid, had too hand over the family home which was his parents and given to him before he even got married and had the kid, has to pay a huge amount out of his wage to his wife.
He lives been living in bed sit for a year unable too afford a flat, on top of that while he was married his wife was cheating on him and to top it off his wife was the one that wanted a divorce.
From what i understand he never cheated on his wife, which got me thinking about how crap men really have it.

He hasn't really had to hand over the family home though. He still owns the house (possibly with his wife). He just isn't able to stay in it. I agree that, if your description is accurate, the situation is crap but the courts would have ruled this way because of the kid involved. If there was no kid then your friend would still be in the house most likely...

Do the courts side more with the mother in these things - probably yes and, in many cases, unfairly so. This I agree with you on however there are too many unknowns in this particular case to make any informed opinion:

Biohazard · 10 Jan 2013 at 08:52

matdom said:
Positive action creates over use. the reason why I have started to think this way, last night my mates friend was taken into hospital for attempted suicide.
His wife won the court battle, over the kid, had too hand over the family home which was his parents and given to him before he even got married and had the kid, has to pay a huge amount out of his wage to his wife.
He lives been living in bed sit for a year unable too afford a flat, on top of that while he was married his wife was cheating on him and to top it off his wife was the one that wanted a divorce.
From what i understand he never cheated on his wife, which got me thinking about how crap men really have it.

It really doesn't in the overall picture.

Men are not oppressed.

Issues over the judicial process, the CSA, over the breakup of families is of course going to be difficult and there are stereotypes and anecdotes abound. Some men are disadvantaged in this process in which is where you require positive action. Just like issues facing women in equality of pay and opportunity and so on. Or even look at the problems they face with sexual assualt with the police fiscal and courts.

No group or identity has it so worse off than the others that they are oppressed, here in the UK at least.

Ilikeitblackplease · 10 Jan 2013 at 08:57

Richie said:
He hasn't really had to hand over the family home though. He still owns the house (possibly with his wife). He just isn't able to stay in it. I agree that, if your description is accurate, the situation is crap but the courts would have ruled this way because of the kid involved. If there was no kid then your friend would still be in the house most likely...

Do the courts side more with the mother in these things - probably yes and, in many cases, unfairly so. This I agree with you on however there are too many unknowns in this particular case to make any informed opinion:

This is what I was told, and there are some more bits to the overall picture, and made us think is it really worth getting married if you have to hand over everything to a woman who from the sounds of things had everything that was possible given to her.

Biohazard · 10 Jan 2013 at 08:57

platypus said:
Let me request a fourth option: ticking along nicely .

Fixed.

Ilikeitblackplease · 10 Jan 2013 at 09:00

Biohazard said:
It really doesn't in the overall picture.

Men are not oppressed.

Issues over the judicial process, the CSA, over the breakup of families is of course going to be difficult and there are stereotypes and anecdotes abound. Some men are disadvantaged in this process in which is where you require positive action. Just like issues facing women in equality of pay and opportunity and so on. Or even look at the problems they face with sexual assualt with the police fiscal and courts.

No group or identity has it so worse off than the others that they are oppressed, here in the UK at least.

Surely if the wife cheated then he should gain custody of the child, and his wife should be the one that should be kicked out of the home.

RDM · 10 Jan 2013 at 09:00

As a straight male the only right I seem to have lost in the last 30 years is the "right" to rape my wife. Which frankly seems like quite a positive thing.

So OP, what rights do you think you no longer have that all the "gheys" have?

[FnG]magnolia · 10 Jan 2013 at 09:01

Why do you hate women OP?

TommyV · 10 Jan 2013 at 09:02

This is gold OP. Making for great entertainment to start my working day off!

Great touch with the bold, large, homophobic statement.

Biohazard · 10 Jan 2013 at 09:03

matdom said:
Surely if the wife cheated then he should gain custody of the child, and his wife should be the one that should be kicked out of the home.

I don't really care about your pal and his **** of an ex tbh. These sort of anecdotal disections rarely prove useful. There's always two sides to a story, and I don't think we're going to get it here even if this was a factor in the custody hearing.

Yaayuh! · 10 Jan 2013 at 09:03

[FnG]magnolia;23529333 said:
Why do you hate women OP?

Because he's trapped in the closet i think.

Ilikeitblackplease · 10 Jan 2013 at 09:05

Richie said:
He hasn't really had to hand over the family home though. He still owns the house (possibly with his wife). He just isn't able to stay in it. I agree that, if your description is accurate, the situation is crap but the courts would have ruled this way because of the kid involved. If there was no kid then your friend would still be in the house most likely...

Do the courts side more with the mother in these things - probably yes and, in many cases, unfairly so. This I agree with you on however there are too many unknowns in this particular case to make any informed opinion:

From what i understand the house has to be mortgage to pay some of the costs for legal aid for his wife, which was added to his small mortgage he took out on his property to help pay for part of his legal fees.

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