Men are OPPRESSED

Biohazard said:
First paragraph in your first link;



That's probably why more is spent on women, perhaps?

Did that cross your mind at all?

Did you read it?

The real issue is the concern that men aren't reporting these problems, which is something else altogether not some sort of state ploy to prevent males from seeking help with mental health through gender spending discrimination policies.

I mean, paranoid much?
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And why is that the case?
 
platypus said:
I THINK I agree with your analysis of the thread; eg "positive discrimination" is bad, whatever form it takes.

That said, the OP has not stated his position well.
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If he had said that I would agree.

Instead OP has opened a can of crazy and is hanging out the window screaming about it.
 
ALL other groups? WTF

Do you know of other branches of the species that we do not? Please enlighten us.

Thar be men.... thar be women

Sure there are hermaphrodites, but I'd put them as "both" rather than a new sub-section :p
 
matdom said:
Was reading a few articles on rights, and started to think that men are now the underclass, oppressed by all other groups.

Women attacking mens rights,
http://jezebel.com/5941876/mens-rig...heir-misogynistic-posters-are-being-torn-down

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-17907534
think its time for men specially straight men to rise up and fight the oppression that other groups have enforced onto us.
Man power, Power to straight men.
http://soc.sagepub.com/content/35/3/729.abstract
Using the work of Connell and other theorists, I discuss the implications of the proposed definition for the oppression of women and suggest that men, too, are systematically mistreated and therefore oppressed in modern societies. This structural concept of men's oppression is compared with the idea developed in the men's movement of the 1970s that men are oppressed by sex roles, and with more recent discourses of masculinity. I argue that men may have conflicting interests in relation to the gender order.

found this
http://www.true-equality.net/archive/2008/05/10/men-are-more-oppressed-than-women.aspx
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I may take some flak for this from raging feminists (Angilion), but the stronger 'race' or sex is always attacked. And nothing is ever said for that reason. It doesn't matter, we can take it. No white male is seen as 'at risk' or in need of legislation or laws to protect.

These other groups/sex can flap their lips and stamp their paws, it's never going to change the status quo.

Come at me!
 
regulus said:
but the stronger 'race' or sex is always attacked.
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That may be true, but the stronger race also dominates.

Men are indeed more likely to be the victims of violence, but from other men that is.

They also account for 96% of the prison population (IIRC), which isn't just down to the judges dishing out harsher penalties to men (no way it could account for that kind of discrepancy).

I do agree that society has left behind young males (more-so from poor backgrounds), as statistically economically poor males are grossly under-represented in our universities/colleges.

But I still firmly believe that overall, society is still wedged in favour of men in more categories than women - but also gender is one of many barriers to success & equality of treatment.

The difference in pay between attractive people VS ugly people is more significant than that of the gap between genders for some areas, as is the gap between short men to tall men in others.
 
elmarko1234 said:
That may be true, but the stronger race also dominates.
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No I agree and wouldn't mind ceding some of that power (even though I hold none of it myself), but wouldn't you agree it's the stronger race for the most part that drives humanity forward, and the others left behind is just an unfortunate side effect from that? Most advances does seem to come from the West and it's for the most part done by men, yet they're, well, oppressed as the thread title says. Or think they're being oppressed. Does seem very odd to me.
 
elmarko1234 said:
That may be true, but the stronger race also dominates.

Men are indeed more likely to be the victims of violence, but from other men that is.

They also account for 96% of the prison population (IIRC), which isn't just down to the judges dishing out harsher penalties to men (no way it could account for that kind of discrepancy).

I do agree that society has left behind young males (more-so from poor backgrounds), as statistically economically poor males are grossly under-represented in our universities/colleges.

But I still firmly believe that overall, society is still wedged in favour of men in more categories than women - but also gender is one of many barriers to success & equality of treatment.

The difference in pay between attractive people VS ugly people is more significant than that of the gap between genders for some areas, as is the gap between short men to tall men in others.
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Straight men may be under represented in the form of 'special groups', but I think on a societal level we don't need to form these groups because we are the most socially accepted and strongest.
 
It is important for us to realise that whilst there are fewer (none?) support groups or political movements or activists for a 20-40 year old straight, white male to seek out, there is a very good reason for this. Simply that they are not needed and are never underrepresented in mainstream media, politics, social arenas, etc.

This is not positive discrimination, nor is it a conspiracy against straight white males. Gay males, gay females, gays and bis in general, black males, black females, black people in general, old people, I could go on. These groups of people are all underrepresented somewhere. 'We' simply do not need it. I do not feel that my societal group (as a ~30 year old straight, white male) needs any specific support.

matdom said:
Surely if the wife cheated then he should gain custody of the child, and his wife should be the one that should be kicked out of the home.
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You think that the decision as to who gets custody of a child should be down to who cheated on whom? What a moronic stance. The best thing for the child should be the only factor here.
 
oulton said:
Straight men may be under represented in the form of 'special groups', but I think on a societal level we don't need to form these groups because we are the most socially accepted and strongest.
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We are simply the least likely group to be the victims of prejudice.

I mean - what can anybody even call me as a young white straight male?, nothing which would hit home or even remotely offend me - neither have I been the victim of any real prejudice.

I bet most women have suffered sexism, most gay people suffered from homophobia & most people from ethnic backgrounds would have endured racism.

But in the subject of parental rights we are behind, which we do have special interest groups trying to address (fathers for justice).

It shouldn't be surprising that the more a group suffers bigotry or discrimination - the more groups will crop up to counter it.

Gilly said:
It is important for us to realise that whilst there are fewer (none?) support groups or political movements or activists for a 20-40 year old straight, white male to seek out, there is a very good reason for this. Simply that they are not needed and are never underrepresented in mainstream media, politics, social arenas, etc.

This is not positive discrimination, nor is it a conspiracy against straight white males. Gay males, gay females, gays and bis in general, black males, black females, black people in general, old people, I could go on. These groups of people are all underrepresented somewhere. 'We' simply do not need it. I do not feel that my societal group (as a ~30 year old straight, white male) needs any specific support.
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Exactly.
 
elmarko1234 said:
We are simply the least likely group to be the victims of prejudice.

I mean - what can anybody even call me as a young white straight male?, nothing which would hit home or even remotely offend me - neither have I been the victim of any real prejudice.

I bet most women have suffered sexism, most gay people suffered from homophobia & most people from ethnic backgrounds would have endured racism.

But in the subject of parental rights we are behind, which we do have special interest groups trying to address (fathers for justice).

It shouldn't be surprising that the more a group suffers bigotry or discrimination - the more groups will crop up to counter it.

Exactly.
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I once got called a 'snowman' by a group of Asian men. I found it EXTREMELY offensive :D
 
oulton said:
I once got called a 'snowman' by a group of Asian men. I found it EXTREMELY offensive :D
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Exactly, even if I got called a "Honky" or "*********" as a racist insult I'd just laugh (not that I think it should be socially acceptable).

Racist terms don't have any weight behind them unless the terms have a history of actual discrimination behind them, it's the history & attitudes behind the words which give them the ability to genuinely offend.
 
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