Soldato
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genuine lolz. What wastes of skin.
only in the UK would this happen
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genuine lolz. What wastes of skin.
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Seems car and motorbike crime isn't their only crimes.
I have reported this little delight from them as it seems they like pitting their dogs against each other and filming it. Be nice if the police got it.
http://local.stv.tv/aberdeen/news/2...housebreaking-and-car-theft-in-aberdeenshire/
"An 18-year-old man has been charged with breaking into an Aberdeenshire home and stealing a £25,000 car from outside the property."
"An 18-year-old man has been charged with breaking into an Aberdeenshire home and stealing a £25,000 car from outside the property."
lol
I would indeed want to harm the individual, but that does not mean I would place the sole blame on them nor does it mean I think that would improve society at large.
I think it is very very apparent that people posting "oh but they get free school and healthcare!" have grown up exceedingly privileged if they think that is enough to prevent the kind of social problems we have, and it is no wonder why things like the Daily Mail sell so well.
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You can't remove all personal responsibility from the individual based purely on their upbringing or foundations in life. There are many people who have humble upbringings that don't commit crime in the same way as there are people with exceptionally high standards who commit crime. We have a huge society (which we are all guilty of upholding) of people who believe they are owed and it goes without saying that many of those people are from the humble side of the river. Whilst I can see the fact that bad parents, a culture of crime and not knowing much else would lead people to follow that route, it doesn't make it right and the reality is most of the people know its not right but still commit the crime using 'circumstance' as their get out clause.
*sigh*
Hurfdurf is very much mistaken if he thinks all these hordes of youths are all desperately destitute and abused kids. Most are just scummers looking for kicks whilst being egged on by their scummer mates. If they were stealing to sell to fund drug habits and what not I might have more sympathy with his position, but they aren't.
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+1.
I went to school with a kid who grew up in a council house and had an abusive father. His father was sent down for GBH against his mother, and also raping someone else. They then moved to a council house in a new area for a completely new life.
After serving five years in prison his father was released (LOL UK justice
) and shortly after that news came out the elder brother went missing and killed himself as he couldn't cope with the news of father being out of the nick after all the threatening letters that he sent whilst banged up.Recently he discovered he has several half-siblings his dad fathered with another woman.
He's 21 now. What is this "poor, unfortunate, failed by society", boy doing? Is he a dirty scrote out stealing cars?
No.
He's a committed Christian, singing in a gospel choir, and recently sung his heart out live on TV in front of 11.5million viewers.
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This is about right.
Oh look, one example of evidence! Obama was raised without his father in the picture for the majority of his time, now he is President, that means single parents don't need any help what so ever and their kids have the exact same chances as children from stable family units with two parents.
I completely agree that you cannot take personal responsibility out of the picture, but if people got angry about the real social issues that has led to our level of crime and disorder instead of just getting mad at the people who are victims of our societies failings, things would change and improve, but instead everyone just circle jerks Daily Mail style over how nasty the evil bad poor people are and nothing changes.
I completely agree that you cannot take personal responsibility out of the picture, but if people got angry about the real social issues that has led to our level of crime and disorder instead of just getting mad at the people who are victims of our societies failings, things would change and improve, but instead everyone just circle jerks Daily Mail style over how nasty the evil bad poor people are and nothing changes.
I wish crime was as simple as someone being forced to commit crime for what ever reason, sadly it isn't, and it is completely disingenuous and stupid to use that as a reason as to why it isn't a societal problem.
But crime like that which those scrotes are performing is as simple as that? They're not drug addicts stealing to fund their habit, they're not stealing cars for export to foreign countries, they're stealing for kicks and fun. There is no underlying thing that makes them other than their own selfish desires.
*Everyone* you will ever meet will have a sob story of some sort.
Should we make allowances for the entire global population?
If someone starts jumping on your MX5 (they obviously had a poor upbringing) are you going to turn the other cheek or stand and bang?
My memory is poor but I have a vague recollection of an inference that you worked for the Samaritans/Childline or something similar at one point? Is this where this mindset stems from?
First off read the thread
Second of all stop being so disingenuous, of course I would defend my self and my property.
My personal back ground doesn't matter, my reasoning stems from basic sociology and clear studies that show how to reduce crime and improve society.
What should society be doing then?