Did "The Matrix" had to be a trilogy?

[Mitzy]

wingman - yes they had the elements in place to suggest it, they just never bothered exploring it.

In the first Matrix once he realises his actual abilities he sees everything in green machine code. In the last film when he's blinded in the 'real' works he sees in gold machine code and he's able to control the machines. He's still in a Matrix.

 

[Judgeneo]

Personally I like the idea that the real world, although not being a matrix per se, is still something that can be read and manipulated in a similar way to how Neo manipulated the matrix.
Oh and you didn't ruin the experience for me I still believe in my interpretation. What I meant was that if I simply believed he was just loosely connected to the matrix in the real world, and was able to see the machines because of that, then I would have though that was lame enough to ruin the film.

ps. I need to work on articulating my views more coherently...

 

[OhEsEcks]

I like all three. The first was a good action sci-fi action film, but the second and third expanded on the religion, philosophy and science behind the Matrix. Most people just don't care about that when they want to watch a sci-fi film. They're just interested in floating cars and shooty things which there was much less of in the sequels.

There was a good documentary about the philosophy in the Matrix called Return to the source: Philosophy and the Matrix.

Someone a few posts up also mentioned Animatrix which was also great. I think my favourite one from that is Matriculated

 

[wingman]

wingman - yes they had the elements in place to suggest it, they just never bothered exploring it.

In the first Matrix once he realises his actual abilities he sees everything in green machine code. In the last film when he's blinded in the 'real' works he sees in gold machine code and he's able to control the machines. He's still in a Matrix.

I'm not convinced. His green indicates the Matrix, the gold indicates the real world.

I'd love to know more on your theory though, happy to take on others opinion. The trilogy is highly subjective.

 

[Mitzy]

Why would he see any code in the real world? Remember it wasn't just the machines he saw in gold code it was everything, just like the green Matrix. I honestly believe they were going to go down the Matrix within a Matrix route then changed their minds, which explains to me the inconsistency in the last film.

I love discussing this and hearing other POV too.

 

[wingman]

Personally I like the idea that the real world, although not being a matrix per se, is still something that can be read and manipulated in a similar way to how Neo manipulated the matrix.
Oh and you didn't ruin the experience for me I still believe in my interpretation. What I meant was that if I simply believed he was just loosely connected to the matrix in the real world, and was able to see the machines because of that, then I would have though that was lame enough to ruin the film.

ps. I need to work on articulating my views more coherently...

This is why I love the movies. You can make up your own mind, because there is so much content to play with, and questions left unanswered.

Don't worry, I'm not great at putting my thoughts across, but wanted to make sure I hadn't offended your feelings towards the movie.

For the record I don't even see the Matrix as separate films, rather one story. Yes, the original movie was fantastic from start to finish, but when Neo saves Trinity in Reloaded I almost cried. In Revolutions, almost every scene has had a philosophic impact on me.

 

[wingman]

Why would he see any code in the real world? Remember it wasn't just the machines he saw in gold code it was everything, just like the green Matrix. I honestly believe they were going to go down the Matrix within a Matrix route then changed their minds, which explains to me the inconsistency in the last film.

I love discussing this and hearing other POV too.

The gold in the alleged 'real' world isn't necessarily code.

 

[Mitzy]

The gold in the alleged 'real' world isn't necessarily code.

I may well be remembering it differently, you know that I'm going to watch the 3rd film again tonight and read through countless fan essays on the subject now. Damn you OP

 

[wingman]

From iMDB;

FAQ:Neo is able to have extraordinary powers inside The Matrix because he is The One, designated by the machines for equilibrium. What explanation does the movie give for Neo having his powers in the real world?

The answer is given in Revolutions. The machines in the real world are all connected to a "singular consciousness", the birth of Artificial Intelligence described by Morpheus in the original Matrix film. This consciousness is otherwise known as "The Source". The machine connection is a remote one or some sort of wireless signal. Having touched The Source (i.e. - meeting with the Architect) and having the data needed to reboot the Matrix, Neo is at this point simultaneously in possession of his human brain but also connected to the singular consciousness. In other words, his is also now a wireless connection. Hence, the reason Neo says, "Something's different. I can feel them." The machines are all separate entities but all connected to this one ("The Source"). Now Neo is as well. He is thereby able to harness this power and stop the sentinels. However, Neo wasn't ready to handle the signal surge and collapsed in a comatose state, no longer in control of just where this wireless signal would be directed. The signal (Neo's residual self-image) is then captured and held in a program limbo derived from the Source but undetected as an existing realm, so to speak. This limbo (the Train Station) was created by the Trainman, a program in service to the Merovingian. This connection forged by Neo's visit to the Architect and his subsequent decision to return to the real world made him, unknowingly, unique. Neo became simultaneously human and machine in a sense. This would ultimately put him in the position to negotiate for peace between humans and the machines. This, as the story unfolded, is exactly what happened.

 

[Vonhelmet]

I just don't see it as being remotely worth fretting about what was going on in the latter two films when they are soooooooo poor compared to the first. The first is brilliant in all regards. The second has some good action sequences. The third is non stop donkey balls.

 

[Mitzy]

The fight scene in the second film on the stairs is fantastic.

 

[wingman]

I just don't see it as being remotely worth fretting about what was going on in the latter two films when they are soooooooo poor compared to the first. The first is brilliant in all regards. The second has some good action sequences. The third is non stop donkey balls.

That is your opinion about the sequels, whereas others have very much enjoyed them and would like to discuss theories behind the story.

 

[Scougar]

First film is great... I walked out of the Cinema thinking I could do anything. I felt so empowered Although now... the bits that grate me about this film are the long winded explanations given by Morpheus (if that's his name?).. drive me nuts.

The other two films I actively avoid without thinking about it... they just don't do it for me.

I will NEVER get tired of the "Mr. Anderson" Just his voice is incredible

 

[Mitzy]

That is your opinion about the sequels, whereas others have very much enjoyed them and would like to discuss theories behind the story.

Hehe overall I didn't enjoy the 2nd & 3rd films but I still like talking about the concepts of them, strange as it may sound.

 

[arknor]

The first film was amazing, my only criticism of it was the ending, it never followed on into the next film, like neo said he was going to put down the phone and show everyone the real world they live in, and he crashed the system, the next film should have followed that imo.

yup would have been more awesome if neo crashed the system and the AI just made a new matrix as we knew in the past there had been others anyway...

 

[anything I don't mind]

I did think it was stupid when neo flew though, why wouldn't he simply teleport. The long fight scenes just seemed dumb. The scene in the subway with indian family was so slow and boring. The second and third ones were definitely not up to the same quality as the first one now that i think about it.

 

[Rotty]

I'm going to be controversial but the 1st one bored the **** off me so 3 was far too many

 

[KingBrian]

Knowing how bad the sequels were, yes the original works fine on its own. But at the time it was impossible not to want more given how good the Matrix was.

+1

 

[Nitefly]

The first is amazing... Loved the second at the time but I saw it again recently and couldn't believe how bad it was :/

 

[physichull]

Each to their own, the first is a very good film, the sequels are unwatchable.

Agreed, that franchise needs to be put to bed now.