my new Panny has faults

Mal X

Mal X

Mal X

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i'm not at home this weekend so i cant RMA it till next week,
its the Panny st 50

1...it has two horizontal grey blotches in the top right hand side, these only show in the whites and while the screen pans upwards, but they're there all the time.

2...it has horizontal lines going across the screen whilst gaming while you run forward, these look like pixel waves and they're stacked vertically, it's like a mirage/ shimmering....this is also present in normal tv

3... there's quite a lot of noise as the screen pans around, there's quite a lot of pixel movement, you see brightness changing in the whites.... there's no motion blur, instead; the pixels look slow to adjust to variations in brightness, it looks like circular/ oval banding, you see it as the tv looks at a sunset or a bright light source.

these faults are starting to bug me, but NO 1 is a definite fault in the whites and this wasn't there yesterday.
 
That sounds really strange, and I wouldn't expect these faults to develop suddenly, I'm sure you would have also noticed them before as they sound quite severe.

My st50 has none of these faults (not that it helps to tell you that) have you tried fiddling with the menu options to turn off all post processing? Maybe a factory reset would be a good idea also..
 
I'd RMA that pronto.

Mines has none of these (G30) and I certainly wouldn't be happy splashing that kind of money on a market leader to have any kind of faults.
 
they're coming monday afternoon, the two horizontal grey blotches/ smudges are faint, but once i've noticed it i cant stop looking at it...

the picture noise/ banding looks like below and it shows when the camera pans from left to right and especially as the image suddenly changes, it is both orbital around bright spots and horizontal whilst running forward gaming, it's like a shimmering, they show worst of all in HD, i see quite a lot of odd stuff going on out of the corner of my eyes

my last tv had nothing like this at all, the banding has always been there, but it started anoying me whilst gaming yesterday

http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?um=1...=201&start=0&ndsp=18&ved=1t:429,r:6,s:0,i:100

http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?um=1...213&start=0&ndsp=19&ved=1t:429,r:11,s:0,i:112
 
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Mal X said:
2...it has horizontal lines going across the screen whilst gaming while you run forward, these look like pixel waves and they're stacked vertically, it's like a mirage/ shimmering....this is also present in normal tv
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That sounds like screen tearing
(Example: FPS higher then the TV refresh rate)

Mal X said:
it looks like circular/ oval banding, you see it as the tv looks at a sunset or a bright light source..
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You get this on all screens with some films...I noticed this while watching parts of transit by netflix on my Dell 2713 monitor yesterday
 
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chaparral said:
That sounds like screen tearing
(Example: FPS higher then the TV refresh rate)

You get this on all screens with some films...I noticed this while watching parts of transit by netflix on my Dell 2713 monitor yesterday
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http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?um=1...0&ndsp=23&ved=1t:429,r:1,s:0,i:85&tx=97&ty=85

this image is exactly what it looks like, but many more tears than this, they're offset and stacked on top of each other, only noticeable when you charge forward and most of all in Borderlands 2, you have to turn on V-SYNC, but this might not solve it, you also may have to cap the framerates to 60fps, plus something called tripple buffering
 
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0k they're replacing the tv on thursday, the grey marks on the screen are ``image retention/screen burn``due to gaming :eek:

i'm quite surprised this is still an issue, because these marks correspond exactly to two lines of white text, which are on Borderlands 2..... last night i tested this by changing it to 4 lines of text and gamed for two hours, this morning there's 4 faint marks. :eek:

i had the brightness on 70% even so, the tv still shouldn't suffer from image retention..... finally, two hours of gaming is nothing for me, what happens when i usually game for 6 hours.

the screen tearing has gone, that's fine now, this is VSYNC, plus framerates capped to 60fps and tv screen image reduced in sharpness.....finally, Overclock removed, the card doesn't need to be OCd anyway !

but the Panny is deffo suffering from screen burn...... now this is a real problem, because i game for hours on end especially a new game !
 
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There is a big difference between image burn and image retention.

Are you sure it's image burn and not just retention?

You should run scrolling bar for 5 hours and see if that fixes it and then in future use pixel orbitor while gaming.
 
imginy said:
There is a big difference between image burn and image retention.

Are you sure it's image burn and not just retention?

You should run scrolling bar for 5 hours and see if that fixes it and then in future use pixel orbitor while gaming.
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i do i use both.... it looks like a dirty smudge where the text was, it's directly over the top of where the text was in borderlands, but now it's 4 smudges.... 4 lines of text..... the smudge is exactly the same height as the text, it looks most like a faint grey airbrush paint line, that only really shows when the image moves underneath it, it shows in whites/ yellows and reds, unfortunately once you notice it, it annoys you, your eyes are drawn to it

the rest of the Borderlands text hasn't burnt the screen...which is a bit odd, but that's at the bottom of the screen and might not be showing up.
 
I've had one minor occurrence of image retention on my G30 after an 8 hour session of Forza 4. Downside of the HUD elements being bright white. Scrolling bar got rid of the worst of it, the rest disappeared after a few weeks of normal usage.

Turning the brightness/contrast down a few notches has prevented it happening again. The game mode on that input remembers the settings, so I just flip it into Cinema (or whatever) when using NetFlix etc.
 
MagicBoy said:
I've had one minor occurrence of image retention on my G30 after an 8 hour session of Forza 4. Downside of the HUD elements being bright white. Scrolling bar got rid of the worst of it, the rest disappeared after a few weeks of normal usage.

Turning the brightness/contrast down a few notches has prevented it happening again. The game mode on that input remembers the settings, so I just flip it into Cinema (or whatever) when using NetFlix etc.
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screen scroll gets rid of it, but it helps if the brightness is turned down, mine is now on 50% but it was on 75%.

the existing marks are still there, but they dont show as much as they did, but the problem is i play Borderlands every night, so the text marks keep coming back but nothing like as bad as they were.

gaming text should be another colour... light grey, blue or yellow, but never clear white
 
When you say you had brightness at 75% do you actually mean the brightness control or contrast? There's no need at all to change brightness from the default, it's already set correctly. Setting it higher will just mess up black levels.
 
You should select Oritor to mode 1 or 2 when you first get the TV.

Also brightness @ 70 is wrong - way too high unless your calibrating it under flood lights.

You contrast should be higher - the brighness lower.

Contrast is whites - brightness is blacks. The mix of the 2 and the panel being new has caused the retention
 
My panel took a couple of weeks to bed in. There was some griping about a green tinge to greys on the 2011 range. Mine had a touch of it, but it disappeared after it was "run in" after a couple of weeks and it unveiled it's full glory.

If they're replacing the OPs TV then it seems a good idea to turn the contrast down when gaming for the first few weeks and don't do long sessions without flipping to a TV feed for a couple of minutes every hour or so.
 
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