Recommend me some banana plugs pls

I did away with the screw type gold plated plugs that connected to the speakers. "Tinned" the cable ends with high purity silver solder, "Wonder solder" from RA actually :o , then put them into the hole on the binding post and clamped it down tight. Sounded better to me and very cost effective.:D
 
spoffle said:
Oh lawd, so much placebo.
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Have you ever tried better cable? I was a none believer too, I didn't really want to spend extra money on cable, but once I heard it I wanted to keep it.

Usually the people that say all cables sound the same either, haven't tried, don't have the hearing capability or don't have a revealing enough system.

I had a friend listen too and he noticed the difference straight away.
 
Nick1881 said:
Have you ever tried better cable? I was a none believer too, I didn't really want to spend extra money on cable, but once I heard it I wanted to keep it.

Usually the people that say all cables sound the same either, haven't tried, don't have the hearing capability or don't have a revealing enough system.

I had a friend listen too and he noticed the difference straight away.
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Simple question did you know which cable was in use each time? Or did someone else switch the cables without you knowing which was in use?

Notice how nobody ever states a more expensive sounds worse, ever? Placebo is a powerful thing.

There's people that will swear blind that changing the fuse in their plugs will make a dramatic audible difference, yet I'd hope you'd think that was totally absurd?

If you're not compromising on your system to get more expensive cables and it makes you happy then sure do whatever you want.

But for people spending hundred's on cables, if they put that money into speakers or their amplifier they would get a much better return for their money.
 
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I knew because I changed them, I'd welcome a test, the difference was quite dramatic. Remember the Epic has more silver, which is a better conductor than copper.

I highly doubt a fuse would make any difference, I have a Mark Grant mains cable, it made no audible difference at all.

I'm also running Mark Grant G2000HD interconnects, I originally had his LV61, I can safely say this change made a huge difference, I mean massive, like I changed amp or something.
 
This thread screams snake oil.


Bi-wiring in my opinion makes no difference what so ever and is a waste of money. Bi-amping on the other hand is a different kettle of fish (I've tried both with my system).
 
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Again I'd wonder if you could pick out different cables if you had no idea which was connected at the time.

You knowing which cable is in use could easily account for you thinking the sound is different.

I've yet to see a single test that showed that cables make any difference when a double blind test is conducted.

I mean seriously you've spent the best part of £400 on just speaker cables and interconnects, that doesn't even include the cables in your system you haven't mentioned, it wouldn't surprise me if you haven't spent close to a grand on cables, if you had spent that on better speakers I know for a fact it would have made much more difference.
 
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Nick1881 said:
Have you ever tried better cable? I was a none believer too, I didn't really want to spend extra money on cable, but once I heard it I wanted to keep it.

Usually the people that say all cables sound the same either, haven't tried, don't have the hearing capability or don't have a revealing enough system.

I had a friend listen too and he noticed the difference straight away.
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It's all snake oil rubbish. The stuff that speaker and amp manufacturers use internally is bog standard copper.

None of that fancy magical rubbish people go on about. If you take high end speakers apart, they'll just be wired up with copper internally and that's it.

Yet you think your expensive speaker cables actually make a difference?

In a double blind test you'd never be able to tell.
 
Wizzfizz said:
This thread screams snake oil.


Bi-wiring in my opinion makes no difference what so ever and is a waste of money. Bi-amping on the other hand is a different kettle of fish (I've tried both with my system).
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I have found that bi-wiring does make a difference. Just not a good one. It make the sound toppy and bassy and robs it of midrange. Most can hear the difference but struggle to recognise it as a backwards step.

I agree though that bi-amping can make a big difference.
 
ethan said:
What is bi-amping and what difference can you expect, for the uninitiated such as myself?
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Using two amps. One to drive the bass speakers. The other to drive the tweeters. The speaker have to have bi-amp terminals. That's two sets of speaker terminals with removable links between the high- and low-frequency speaker terminals.

There are several different versions of bi-amping. The simplest is where an amp doubles up on the same signal so that the tweeter and woofer are driven independently. The crossover in the speaker still filters the signal for each driver.

At the top of the quality tree is something called "an active system". This is where there's no crossover in the speaker at all. Instead there's a crossover between the pre-amp and the power amps. The sound is filtered before the power amps. One amp does purely high frequencies, the other the low frequencies. It doesn't take much power to drive the tweeters, so the amp for the high frequencies doesn't need to be that powerful. The woofers take a lot more power. So the amp has to be more capable of delivering sustained current. In this way the amps are tailored to the requirements of the speaker drivers they are powering.
 
Replacing with Better speakers will make 10x the amount of difference that replacing some cable will, it is never worth the outlay as the speakers you have only have the capability they have, their capability cannot be exceeded no matter what cable you have. They can only perform better by getting new speakers or possibly new amp, but even changing the amp is debateable as it just changes the tonality of the sound the speaker is producing.

Im sorry but no matter what companies claim they do to their fancy cable, just basic oxygen free stuff that's thick enough to carry the signal will do. Never worth spending loads on cable.
 
Gtiracer said:
Replacing with Better speakers will make 10x the amount of difference that replacing some cable will, it is never worth the outlay as the speakers you have only have the capability they have, their capability cannot be exceeded no matter what cable you have. They can only perform better by getting new speakers or possibly new amp, but even changing the amp is debateable as it just changes the tonality of the sound the speaker is producing.

Im sorry but no matter what companies claim they do to their fancy cable, just basic oxygen free stuff that's thick enough to carry the signal will do. Never worth spending loads on cable.
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Sure, in the wrong system or with inadequate speakers then changing cable isn't going to make an appreciable difference. Also I'd be very surprised if significantly better speakers didn't change the sound of a system in a radical way.

As for amps, well I'm playing around with an old Creek amp at the moment and I can assure you that the differences compared to my Yamaha AV amp are more than just attributable to tonality.
 
Broken Hope said:
Again I'd wonder if you could pick out different cables if you had no idea which was connected at the time.

You knowing which cable is in use could easily account for you thinking the sound is different.

I've yet to see a single test that showed that cables make any difference when a double blind test is conducted.

I mean seriously you've spent the best part of £400 on just speaker cables and interconnects, that doesn't even include the cables in your system you haven't mentioned, it wouldn't surprise me if you haven't spent close to a grand on cables, if you had spent that on better speakers I know for a fact it would have made much more difference.
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£400? 5 x £40 = £200 + termination = £230. I also have a Mark Grant G2000HD and G1000HD, these made an even bigger difference than the speaker cable.

I'd welcome a blind test, I'd easily be able to tell a lower quality cable from mine.

spoffle said:
It's all snake oil rubbish. The stuff that speaker and amp manufacturers use internally is bog standard copper.

None of that fancy magical rubbish people go on about. If you take high end speakers apart, they'll just be wired up with copper internally and that's it.

Yet you think your expensive speaker cables actually make a difference?

In a double blind test you'd never be able to tell.
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I thought this too, trust me there is a clear difference.
 
Nick1881 said:
£400? 5 x £40 = £200 + termination = £230. I also have a Mark Grant G2000HD and G1000HD, these made an even bigger difference than the speaker cable.
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I was including the G2000HD in that also which from a brief look was between £200-220.

Why not just do a blind test at home? Get a friend to swap cables and not tell you which is which, do it about 10 times and see how often you guess correctly. Use a piece of music you know well.
 
Nick1881 said:
£400? 5 x £40 = £200 + termination = £230. I also have a Mark Grant G2000HD and G1000HD, these made an even bigger difference than the speaker cable.

I'd welcome a blind test, I'd easily be able to tell a lower quality cable from mine.



I thought this too, trust me there is a clear difference.
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I believe that you believe there's a difference but it's placebo.

Speaker cables just don't do that.
 
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spoffle said:
I believe that you believe there's a difference but it's placebo.

Speaker cables just don't do that.
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sorry but you're wrong - sometimes the difference is surprisingly large when changing cables, sometimes its very small.
i have heard it many many times on all sorts of cables. it is not the placebo effect.
 
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