Drop in child asthma since smoking ban

MrMoonX · 21 Jan 2013 at 13:09

They really need to ban smoking in public indoors or not, annoys the hell out of me walking behind dirty smokers or going into a pub with a crowd of low life's smoking outside

TommyV · 21 Jan 2013 at 13:13

MrMoonX said:
They really need to ban smoking in public indoors or not, annoys the hell out of me walking behind dirty smokers or going into a pub with a crowd of low life's smoking outside

Not that I smoke anymore.. but very smoker is a worthless lowlife? :rolleyes:

Dave85 · 21 Jan 2013 at 13:16

d_brennen said:
So the wheezies are on the decline. Just the fatties and gingers to tackle

some people need a good slap

platypus · 21 Jan 2013 at 13:26

estebanrey said:
As a vaper (e-cigarette user) I tend to get it in the neck from both sides, smokers wanna laugh at me because they think I'm 'smoking a fake cigarette' (as if the only reason they smoke is not for the nicotine or the sensation which i get as well, but because they like the danger or something) and I get the old "OMG, he's smoking inside/If it looks like a duck" comments from some non-smokers.

That aside, whilst I support a ban on smoking in public buildings generally, I do think a compromise could have been made with pubs. Not let them choose as some suggest (as this was the case before the ban when you think about it, no pub was forced to allow smoking but most chose to), but if a pub has a spare room with decent ventilation they should be allowed to have 'smoking rooms'.

Having been at athens airport recently I see that they have regular smoking booths which seem to do the trick.

estebanrey · 21 Jan 2013 at 13:45

MrMoonX said:
They really need to ban smoking in public indoors or not, annoys the hell out of me walking behind dirty smokers or going into a pub with a crowd of low life's smoking outside

Wow the anti-smoking propaganda put out over the last ten years has really has it's effects on you aint it?

ntg · 21 Jan 2013 at 14:50

How does the smoking ban in public places affect asthma in children caused by growing at home with parents who smoke?

It's not as if the smoking ban stopped people smoking inside their homes, probably increased it as they spend more time smoking inside than outside.

kitkat9933 · 21 Jan 2013 at 14:59

To late for me, but hopefully good for other kids.

platypus · 21 Jan 2013 at 15:46

estebanrey said:
Wow the anti-smoking propaganda put out over the last ten years has really has it's effects on you aint it?

What has anti-smoking propoganda got to do with disliking ciggarette smoke?

regulus · 21 Jan 2013 at 15:51

HEADRAT said:
I'm sure a smoker will be along in a minute to say that they don't believe their is a correlation, that it's probably caused by something else, that they know a man who is 100 who smokes 60 a day etc. etc.

HEADRAT

Or, and smoker along making just about ANY excuse.

elmarko · 21 Jan 2013 at 15:54

platypus said:
What has anti-smoking propoganda got to do with disliking ciggarette smoke?

I believe he is referencing to odd way it's considered socially acceptable to insult & dehumanise smokers just because it's now considered "Ok" to do so.

Slightly hypocritical, as anybody who doesn't recycle, uses private transport excessively, travels abroad, purchases a large amount of any none organic/recyclable goods, eats meat - or does anything which has a harmful effect on either the global or local environment can't justify the hostility they display to smokers.

Nothing more amusing than seeing somebody make a negative comment about smokers "polluting the air" who then get's into a massive 4x4 to drive around the corner.

On a side note, I do think smokers should be aware of the local environment (ie, don't stand next to none smokers to put them down-wind of you & if you have to be close to others put it out).

Castiel · 21 Jan 2013 at 16:05

elmarko1234 said:
I believe he is referencing to odd way it's considered socially acceptable to insult & dehumanise smokers just because it's now considered "Ok" to do so.

Slightly hypocritical, as anybody who doesn't recycle, uses private transport excessively, travels abroad, purchases a large amount of any none organic/recyclable goods, eats meat - or does anything which has a harmful effect on either the global or local environment can't justify the hostility they display to smokers.

Lol.

Smoking is nothing like eating meat. Organic Farming (any farming for that matter) has a detrimental effect on the environment, any kind of transport has a detrimental effect on the environment (even walking if you take it that far) Jeez, simply breathing has a detrimental effect on the environment, by that kind of nonsence logic no-one should be criticising anyone for any reason whatsoever. Only the dead have no detrimental effect on the environment and then only if they are left to rot in the ground. The chap above seemed to be making a criticism from a personal impact basis anyway, not one on the environment.

EyepodI · 21 Jan 2013 at 16:19

MrMoonX said:
They really need to ban smoking in public indoors or not, annoys the hell out of me walking behind dirty smokers or going into a pub with a crowd of low life's smoking outside

Ban cars and planes while your at it. Let our government overlords decide when we can go for a **** as well cos they know what's best for us.

dirtybeatfreak · 21 Jan 2013 at 16:20

While you are right Castiel, I agree with the point he was trying to make. Not every smoker is an inconsiderate imp and it doesn't make them automatically scum/dirty/lowlife etc. It really irks me when people have this attitude.

I would rather be around a smoker who is considerate than one of these 'do gooders' that think less of others for doing so.

Disclaimer: I am a non smoker.

Theophany · 21 Jan 2013 at 17:01

MrMoonX said:
They really need to ban smoking in public indoors or not, annoys the hell out of me walking behind dirty smokers or going into a pub with a crowd of low life's smoking outside

Yeah. Goddamn lowlifes. Filthy scum. Put them all in the gas chambers, see how much they like smoke then, right?

Might need to stock up on these though.

platinum87 · 21 Jan 2013 at 17:21

I am against a forced ban i believe the owner of the premises should be allowed to choose, if people don't like it they are free to not go in.

More importantly when the ban occured i used to frequent a shisha bar usually once a week , the guy closed down the shutters and everyone came in and out the back entrance, which IMO is totally BS, this after all was a shisha place, the only people in there wanted to smoke shisha?

Castiel · 21 Jan 2013 at 18:04

dirtybeatfreak said:
While you are right Castiel, I agree with the point he was trying to make. Not every smoker is an inconsiderate imp and it doesn't make them automatically scum/dirty/lowlife etc. It really irks me when people have this attitude.

I would rather be around a smoker who is considerate than one of these 'do gooders' that think less of others for doing so.

Disclaimer: I am a non smoker.

I wasn't implying they are, only questioning the examples given. Personally I don't care what people do in public places, if someone is smoking next to me and I don't like it, I move elsewhere. I am an ex-smoker and I am pretty anti-smoking, while smoking is legal then why shouldn't smokers be allowed to smoke where they want in open public places?. It is annoying when they congregate around public entrances and in bus shelters etc, as they impact anyone wishing to use those facilities (and is technically illegal in most cases anyway), but as long as people are minding their own business it is no business of mine.

PermaBanned · 21 Jan 2013 at 18:28

Castiel said:
This. Asthma diagnoses prior to the 1970s were pretty woeful relative to today, with a "it's all in their head" kind of attitude, added to the diagnoses of mild Asthma being recognised and diagnosed as awareness and treatment increased.

Would this not lead to an increase in the percentage of children rather than a decrease?

Glaucus · 21 Jan 2013 at 18:30

PermaBanned said:
Would this not lead to an increase in the percentage of children rather than a decrease?

This is not a reduction in illness. So many people in this thread have made this error.
It's a reduction in asthma attacks that need hospital treatment, it doesn't even say its a reduction of total asthma attacks.

elmarko · 21 Jan 2013 at 18:33

Castiel said:
Lol.

Smoking is nothing like eating meat.

I don't recall saying that it was.

Neither did I say any form of transport (I'm referring obviously to people who have a massive carbon footprint due to using a big gas guzzler of by flying around the world for personal gratification) - they are of course entitled to do so, but they don't get to sit on the moral high-ground & look down on smokers (many of which are pretty considerate).

I was simply pointing out a small element of hypocrisy involved in the damage the air/environment caused by a myriad of different things (which meat production is amongst) but people selectively decide to crusade against the ones they don't personally partake in.

For example.

Person 1 - walks down the road smoking.
Person 2 - drives a massive 4x4 gas guzzler down my road past me.

Besides, I also mentioned at the end of the post that smokers should try to keep away from none smokers.

I'm also an ex smoker, but I didn't smoke around none-smokers, I moved away from people when waiting, I put it out when I was unable to move (even in places I was allowed to smoke) & crossed the road when walking past children/women with babys.

The point I was arguing against is the stereotype that all smokers are like this - as opposed to.

dirtybeatfreak · 21 Jan 2013 at 18:43

Castiel said:
I wasn't implying they are,

I know you weren't

My annoyances were aimed at MrMoonX's post but you had replied to elmarkos post that people don't automatically become low-life etc and I agreed with your point but that I could see what he was getting at.

Sorry for the confusing post lol