So Brussels has a better opinion of its population?
It's trading one nuisance with a bigger nuisance (with extra shiny toys to placate you), it's better to go with the nuisance you know surely.
David Cameron's speech on Europe
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So Brussels has a better opinion of its population?
It's trading one nuisance with a bigger nuisance (with extra shiny toys to placate you), it's better to go with the nuisance you know surely.
So true.[TW]Fox;23615024 said:
I don't mind if people disagree with me politically, but I don't want decisions made by people who have done no research whatsoever.
To expand on this, I don't want the newspapers to decide the fate of the UK (via "informing" the public on how to vote).
I trust the EU more than our current government to protect the rights of the population.With logic like this, what more can you say
Exactly, the nuisance we know is the EU, having been a part of the EEC since it's formation in 1973. Seeing the shambolic effect Camerons elk have had since their 'election' on the police, NHS reform, education, disability provisioning, I dread to think what this bunch of idiots would do if Brussels gave them back the rest of their powers to govern!
this tickles me, is this the same EU that told ireland to hold a 2nd referendum because they voted no. got to love democracy.
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[TW]Fox;23615024 said:
Totally agree.
Camerons definition of promise:
"When I say I promise something, I mean I promise to do exactly what it takes to spin the situation to best benefit myself and my friends, and the rest of you can sod owf!"
It worked, Ireland only voted no as a rebellion against the then government with some English royalist living there telling everyone they would be drafted into the EU army for 2 years military service.
After that one everyone looked at the campaigns and went "oops we mucked that one right up" when they read the deal they were voting on they realised it was worth actually going for (only Donegal still voted no but that's because they couldn't be bothered to read).
If we have a referendum it'll go the same way, everyone voting on the potential and when the reality comes about we wont be happy with the result at all.
We wont be happy either way, lets just see how it goes in the next 5 years.
still tickles me though that the eu told ireland to hold a 2nd one, and ireland did, democracy is something you live with no matter the outcome. but i guess thats not the eu way.
as for the referendum first we need to see what this renegotiation is before saying which way anyone should be voting.
as for the referendum first we need to see what this renegotiation is before saying which way anyone should be voting.
But if people voted differently the second time - how isn't that democracy?, the people still decided.
I'm sure it's annoying if you voted against it & the public changed it's views & you lost - but I fail to see how it's isn't democratic.
(not that I even agree with the idea of the public voting on specific issues they have no understanding of).
The EU hold the rights of the entire population of the EU above the well being of the UK population. Cameron hit the nail on the head when he said that the constant pandering on trying to make everything balanced and secular is damaging us all as a whole. There needs to be a clear direction of what the EU is and what it's going to be, it was sold a trading block, a great idea. It became and is becoming a federal government for which we have a declining ability to self govern.
funny how none of the countrys who voted yes (agreeing with the eu) on the same vote didnt get told to hold a 2nd vote just to make sure, but ireland who voted no did.
and i bet if it was no a 2nd time there would have been a 3rd vote just to triple check.
and i bet if it was no a 2nd time there would have been a 3rd vote just to triple check.
When push comes to shove there will be either:
1) no referendum 2) fabricated / fraudulent "Yes vote" 3) repeated referendums until you vote "Yes" anyway.
The agenda has been in place since before most on here were even born and rolls on inexorably despite the illusion of democracy and voter power.
Ask the Irish and Dutch what happens when you vote "No" at an EU referendum. That's right - sweet FA. Don't you get it? You're not going to succeed with a "No" vote. It's all just vote grabbing political BS.
1) no referendum 2) fabricated / fraudulent "Yes vote" 3) repeated referendums until you vote "Yes" anyway.
The agenda has been in place since before most on here were even born and rolls on inexorably despite the illusion of democracy and voter power.
Ask the Irish and Dutch what happens when you vote "No" at an EU referendum. That's right - sweet FA. Don't you get it? You're not going to succeed with a "No" vote. It's all just vote grabbing political BS.
It wasn't to make sure, the second vote was on a better deal for Ireland after the first one sucked. Hence why there was a MASSIVE swing in turnout and voter choices second time around.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty...on_Bill,_2008_(Ireland)#Reasons_for_rejection