Offered a pay rise, cheeky to attempt to negotiate more?

In my opinion there are several factors that come in to play:

-Is your current salary (or current salary +8%) reasonable for your current roles and responsibilities? In other words, if you are earning close to what other individuals in the organisation doing the same/similar role (or market rates) then 8% is a decent increase; if you are massively underpaid relative to your peers, then perhaps not.

-Other than 'doing a great job' what have you done above and beyond the remit of your role as agreed when you took it i.e. things you can point to to suggest that you merit a larger increase. If you are simply doing what you were hired to do (albeit to a high standard), then I think a double-digit percentage increase is unlikely.

-How is the organisation doing, both as a whole and your division/sector/department? Has it been a profitable year with plenty of cash floating around for pay rises?

-Is there anything quantifiable you can point to in terms of value you've brought to the organisation e.g. explain how over the past year you have generated or contributed significantly towards $xxxxxx of revenue?

I've been in a similar position in the past in that I was offered (given) a 5% pay rise and wasn't happy with it because I was earning significantly less than other people in the same role (and had taken on additional responsibilities since joining). I tried negotiating without immediate success but I did get promoted less than 6 months later (with a proper payrise) so at least it was sewing the seeds in my manager's mind in terms of my ambition and abilities.
 
Tell him to stuff his 8% pay rise offer and that unless he puts a 20% offer on the table you'll be seeking employment elsewhere.
 
HangTime said:
-Is your current salary (or current salary +8%) reasonable for your current roles and responsibilities? In other words, if you are earning close to what other individuals in the organisation doing the same/similar role (or market rates) then 8% is a decent increase; if you are massively underpaid relative to your peers, then perhaps not.
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I would say this, pretty much. They're paying you more so you don't leave. Compare the new salary to a similar position elsewhere (similar experience etc).

I also noticed it's your first year there, it might be in your contract to bring you 'in line' with the other people in your position.
 
People saying "good for the current climate" is irrelevant.

What matters is what you could be paid elsewhere. So what you need to do is apply for another job with a higher salary, then when you get offered that job, go back to your current employers and ask for more.

They aren't going to offer you more money if you can't prove that you're worth it. If you can prove that you are worth more, then they are likely to offer you more... Or if not then just leave for the new job.
 
It depends on the company really, if it's a small one then the manager/owner may see it an affront to his/her generosity, if it's a large corporation then asking for more from your manager won't be a problem especially if he/she thinks you've worked hard the past year, such decisions are usually passed up the management chain anyway.
 
Col_M said:
It depends on the company really, if it's a small one then the manager/owner may see it an affront to his/her generosity, if it's a large corporation then asking for more from your manager won't be a problem especially if he/she thinks you've worked hard the past year, such decisions are usually passed up the management chain anyway.
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would have to be a bit sensitive tbh...

and this goes with all the people throwing out the 'should be happy with that in this climate' nonsense - the bottom line is simply whether you're getting paid what you're worth - if the normal rate for the job is 20% higher or he could get 20% fairly easily elsewhere then the 8% rise and 4% bonus doesn't cut it...

I'd initially highlight that you don't want to leave and like working there but you do believe that the role is worth a bit more than that etc... throw in some objective points re: stuff you've done/achieved etc.. over the past year... I'd also be tempted to ask for more responsibility, show that you can add more value etc.. (if its a big company this in itself could help your manager if he has to argue your side with HR or his boss)... and if you don't end up getting a bigger rise straight away then see if with the extra duties etc... they'd consider giving you an additional rise in 6 months...

If they don't play game then don't waste your time there - move on....
 
I think the way to approach this is simply look for another job, if I get interviews and offers for something paid a little higher this obviously points towards me being worth a bit more. I could then use this as an approach and possibly negotiate a higher wage or if not then simply move on.
If nothing comes of the job hunts, I need to suck it up carry on doing what I do and get some more experience or simply some pieces of paper to prove I can do it :)

We are a fairly small company, my old manager left and now I am largely working under my own steam. A rather odd situation.
 
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