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AMD 8350 Faster than people would believe?

I'd buy a second hand 2500K :)

In all seriousness, I'd get the 8320, it'll likely have the same clock ceiling as the 50, maybe at the expense of a few degrees higher temp or a couple of hundred MHz

Heh, my budget allows me to JUST ABOUT squeeze in a 3570k with a 7850 but I think the fx series will probably serve me better as I do some rendering/encoding stuff and I know x264 under Linux LOVES threads - hence why not going Intel. Also means I can just about squeeze in a 7970 which is awesome.

As a note, I think I'll get the 8320 just to save some cash and add a better PSU.
 
I'd reckon the 7970 is a waste of money vs the 7950

Alright! The only reason I was considering the 7970 really was the fact there was one on clearance for £261 but...the 7950 can be had new for as little as...£225! Is it worth the extra £41? - again this would allow me to get a more beefy motherboard (sabertooth)
 
Alright! The only reason I was considering the 7970 really was the fact there was one on clearance for £261 but...the 7950 can be had new for as little as...£225! Is it worth the extra £41? - again this would allow me to get a more beefy motherboard (sabertooth)

I would say no.. get a good 7950 with a aftermarket cooler on it.. I would recommend sapphire as that's what I have myself and its bloody awwsome. But I know others are fond of gigabyte and their windforce coolers.
 
The Sabertooth 990FX is a nice board.
If your going AMD FX get one.

Had mine a while now and haven't had a bit of trouble with it.
Very strong VRM's so no throttling, and it looks a million dollars.
 
After my rather cheap (very lucky) replacement of my previous board to an x58 sabertooth, I've been a big fan of it. It just goes and goes and on top of that with a 5 year warranty..
 
What bugs me is these game engines that aren't optimised for multi-threading. Come on devs get yer shizzle sorted!! :p It benefits ALL PC gamers, not just FX owners.

So let's say you were buying one today, which would you get yourself - if you had to pick - if the price difference would allow you to get a better PSU/a better motherboard.

The 8320 is easily the best bang for buck CPU around, especially if you're going to drop it into a Saber and OC it. Oc'd they're stupidly fast encoders for the money, especially in Linux, getting very close to the 3770K and easily faster than a 3750k at matched clock speeds.

they're power hungry though, biggest downside I suppose.
 
Power consumption depends how much extra voltage you give them

If I could clock an 8320 to the default speed of the 8350, at stock voltage, I'd be happy. No guarantee of that, but worth a gamble perhaps. Depends on the yields they are getting, and that is an unknown.
 
The FX-8320 and FX-8350 are identical, they just end up with different clocks and then names.

The question is is there any binning going on when they do that, or do they just set clocks as the market demands.
 
PDs are even worse when OC'd. At idle they're the same, flat out there's probably ~80-100w difference.

The only reviews which have tested gaming power consumption indcate far less than that. IIRC,it was less than 50W in Batman and BF3 ,when compared to a Core i5 3570K and a Core i7 3770K when the CPUs were at stock clockspeeds. Overclocked it would be more I suspect.
 
PDs are even worse when OC'd. At idle they're the same, flat out there's probably ~80-100w difference.

But tbh is that even gonna bother anyone these days? My i5 3570k and gtx 680 both overclocked barely pushes my psu over the 400w marker when under load. I dont think an extra 80-100w is gonna bother most people who have 600w psu's which can be bought at a very reasonable price these days. Plus i think the average user will have that or above anyway especially for enthusiasts.
 
But tbh is that even gonna bother anyone these days? My i5 3570k and gtx 680 both overclocked barely pushes my psu over the 400w marker when under load. I dont think an extra 80-100w is gonna bother most people who have 600w psu's which can be bought at a very reasonable price these days. Plus i think the average user will have that or above anyway especially for enthusiasts.

My 8350 at 4.6GHz running prime on eight worker threads and HD6950 running heaven 2.5 benchmark at the same instance uses 480w maximum. The HD6950 is a bit power hungry.

Without the heaven benchmarking it is close to 360w at 4.6GHz running prime.

These are total system power draw readings measured at the wall socket.

A good 600W is more than ample with a single card. It is unlikely that you would get those power draw's in normal usage even gaming.
 
That is the question, and no-one knows the answer.

I've had one of each, they clocked quite similarly. The 8350 is a slightly better clocker, runs cooler at the same voltages and the IMC is a better clocker.

The only reviews which have tested gaming power consumption indcate far less than that. IIRC,it was less than 50W in Batman and BF3 ,when compared to a Core i5 3570K and a Core i7 3770K when the CPUs were at stock clockspeeds. Overclocked it would be more I suspect.

That sounds about right. Gaming wise it's nothing to be concerned about. It would be something to consider for long encoding sessions though, 100w extra on an overnight encode is eventually going to cost a fair bit.

More power used is also an indication of the extra cooling needed.

But tbh is that even gonna bother anyone these days? My i5 3570k and gtx 680 both overclocked barely pushes my psu over the 400w marker when under load. I dont think an extra 80-100w is gonna bother most people who have 600w psu's which can be bought at a very reasonable price these days. Plus i think the average user will have that or above anyway especially for enthusiasts.

Totally agree, I think it's just the cost of the power and the fact that more cooling is likely needed puts some people off.
 
That sounds about right. Gaming wise it's nothing to be concerned about. It would be something to consider for long encoding sessions though, 100w extra on an overnight encode is eventually going to cost a fair bit.

Its more efficient than a Phenom II X4 or Phenom II X6 at encoding AFAIK and TBH,most people are not encoding 24/7 anyway.

Even if say you did 100 hours of encoding a month, which is a lot for the average person,you are looking at under £1.50 a calendar month using the average UK electricity price:

http://www.sust-it.net/energy-calculator.php

The FX8350 is also faster than a Core i5 3570K for video encoding in many cases.

Even with gaming,if you played 4 hours a weekday,and 8 hours each day in the weekend(which is big amount if you have a job),that is 36 hours a week.

Assuming that you never go on holiday,that is under £14 a year if the AMD rig is consuming 50W more for gaming.

However,the problem is that you can save upto 20W under load by changing the motherboard in a AMD or Intel system,ie,use one which has a more efficient VRM section.

On top of this even something like a monitor can also easily add 40W to 50W to the system power draw,if you use a less efficient monitor. A Platinum rated PSU can also reduce power consumption by 10W to 20W too.

Even switching off your PC when not in use will still save you money,instead of keeping it on in use.

Then the graphics card too. Most people are more worried about what kind of PSU they need.

Look at how popular the GTX460 was even when compared to the HD6850?? The HD6850 consumed less power but it did not factor into the purchasing decision of many people.

The same goes with people going with a HD7950 over a GTX660TI.

Moreover overclocking will increase the power consumption of your CPU and graphics card.

The thing is people obsess about CPU power consumption when the other parts also contribute to power consumption as well as your usage habits. However,it seems only CPUs seemed to be focussed on like some sort of OCD. You might think you are saving money in running costs,but you might find that in the end you really are not!!

I am interested in SFF PCs,so had to consider a lot of these factors for years now.

In the scheme of things the power consumption costs are not that massive TBH,and a bit extra is not going to bankrupt you, especially if you can afford to spend a decent amount on a gaming PC and spend loads on games.

The thing is though if electricity costs are a major problem it is better to get a games console and a laptop - they will probably end up consuming less power anyway.

More power used is also an indication of the extra cooling needed.

In a SFF PC,yes it is more important, but for the standard mATX and ATX systems,it should be no problem when running at stock clockspeeds.

The standard coolers for the AMD 125W TDP CPUs are not that bad TBH,unlike the CPU coolers they use for their 95W and 100W TDP CPUs which are pile of fail.

The thing is AMD also has kept compatability among their current platforms for CPU coolers. Even an AM2 cooler will fit on a AM3+ or FM2 motherboard.

I think overclocked, the cooling requirements are more severe than a IB or SB based CPU, but they should be around the same as a overclocked Phenom II X6 or socket 1366 Core i7.
 
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