So the moon landing was faked!

Gilly.

If you've conceded the point on the wires you need another theory on how the videos were done. Slow motion doesn't work either. If they were genuinely in low mavity then they must have been on the moon. Logical?
 
Dimple said:
Any links, genuinely interested if it was lies or not knowing enough at the time?
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There's been a few successful hoaxes and misjudgements. Pitdown Man comes to mind. Or the Allen Hills meteorite. Completely different things though. Not really a sweeping consensus anyway.

Moon landings as a giant NASA hoax, ... Seriously, dude, you need to put down the pipe.
 
Blue160 said:
Gilly.

If you've conceded the point on the wires you need another theory on how the videos were done. Slow motion doesn't work either. If they were genuinely in low mavity then they must have been on the moon. Logical?
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I conceded the point on the 'wire flashes', not the wires themselves. I have also linked to evidence of earth mavity.
 
Glaucus said:
So you are still denying all the reserch, multiple old and new satelite data and even James van Allen himself.
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i.'ve seen a video interview with van allen himself where he says its perfectly possible due to the small amount of time the ship spends in the belt and angling the ship so the bulk of the metal shields the occupants.
this was many years ago, at least 15 - whether its on the internet i don't know.
 
gillywibble said:
I conceded the point on the 'wire flashes', not the wires themselves. I have also linked to evidence of earth mavity.
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So how do wires pass through solid objects?
And where are thes earth mavity? As they aren't in the 2:00:20-2:00:50 you say.

And I hope it's not the massively debunked video that CTs measure at the wrong points and has been debunked a million and one times.
 
aardvark said:
i.'ve seen a video interview with van allen himself where he says its perfectly possible due to the small amount of time the ship spends in the belt and angling the ship so the bulk of the metal shields the occupants.
this was many years ago, at least 15 - whether its on the internet i don't know.
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This is when NASA got to him then murdered him - obviously
 
Don't necessarily need to murder them, just discredit them much in the same way most of the people attack people that agree with moon hoax information. This marginalization is not very scientific behaviour. I understand that you can argue for specific aspects of apollo as a "scientific argument" but at the end of the day it is not a matter of science but a matter for a truth or lie. I do not doubt that NASA had the expertise to envision a mission to the moon in 1969, all the way down the fine details. What I doubt is the feasibility of the them to actually do it.
 
gillywibble said:
The objects falling are at 2:00:41 and 2:00:44 exactly.

This video explains the wire trick.

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So I can assume you've done some simple maths to work out the gradational acceleration? To back this up?
No?

And lol, so now it's not just wires, they take them on and off.
Did they attach every bit of dust to wires as well? This isn't an explanation at all. So astronaught a are wire to reduce mavity, but dipsticks is what? Slowed down video? How can you have both wires and slowed down video, nothing would match.
 
groen said:
It won't be the first time or the last time that the so called "scientific community" or best explained by the notion of the "scientific consensus" has been completely wrong or worse, has been fooled in to believing a lie.
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groen said:
How would they have known any more than the canadian or british or even the personnel of the american government that were not directly involved. They all saw the same footage as everyone else. What gives you the idea that the russian government or intelligence would not have been fooled?
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Out of interest, apart from the moon landing are there any other significant historic events or scientific discoveries / achievements that you do not believe happened the way it was reported?

The reason I ask is that people who are able to discern, or willing to challenge the lies from the truth on some things are much better at it on others.

I guess from your perception, too many people are just happy to plod on ignorant of what really occurred.
 
groen said:
It won't be the first time or the last time that the so called "scientific community" or best explained by the notion of the "scientific consensus" has been completely wrong or worse, has been fooled in to believing a lie.
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But you've managed to catch them out? You're right in that the scientific community gets it wrong from time to time and to their credit when they do they revise what they believe - in general, if something has stood up to scrutiny for decades then there's quite a strong chance that it's correct or a close enough approximation to be useful.

One thing I'm mildly curious about is what conspiracy theorists did in the days before YouTube. You can find useful information on YouTube and there's no guarantee that just because something is well presented it is true but I'd have to express some doubt that just because someone has a YouTube channel and a theory that they're worth listening to. Part of my issue here is my usual one that conspiracy theorists simultaneously manage to credit the perpetrators of the "hoax" with power to affect almost anything and yet at the same time an inability to stop it being discovered by some random people on the internet...
 
alexthecheese said:
I still don't understand why you seem to be relying on the videos one a nutjob on YouTube. I really can't fathom it.
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Did you see his reflect this series? the guy is a bit wacky. I only recently found out that he made apollo zero. Moon hoax theory originated with bill kaysing, i have heard the argument before where are the whistle-blowers? we had one 35 years ago but no one listened. I am not relying on anyone specifically just not many people have spent so much time on it and i recently came across those videos.

Bill kaysing and ralph rene originated the idea, The internet has allowed for it to propagate even more. Without the internet i would not have received more info.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EE9v2mEUQk8
 
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groen said:
Did you see his reflect this series? the guy is a bit wacky. I only recently found out that he made apollo zero. Moon hoax theory originated with bill kaysing, i have heard the argument before where are the whistle-blowers? we had one 35 years ago but no one listened. I am not relying on anyone specifically just not many people have spent so much time on it and i recently came across those videos.
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This is a fair point, probably too far down the line for whistleblowers to been seen as anything other than media attention seeking book sellers wanting an easy pay check.

Especially with all the evidence mounting against them.

In some ways, maybe there is too much evidence it happened, i.e. over compensating for the fact it was faked??
 
Scrutinize said:
Out of interest, apart from the moon landing are there any other significant historic events or scientific discoveries / achievements that you do not believe happened the way it was reported?

The reason I ask is that people who are able to discern, or willing to challenge the lies from the truth on some things are much better at it on others.

I guess from your perception, too many people are just happy to plod on ignorant of what really occurred.
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The lies that premeditate are not always scientific discoveries, but they are events that occur one way or another, as a result of the event it might bring in to question truths that are attempted to be verified using scientific means. These scientific means may very well be verifiable and true. That does not mean however that the event occurred.

If these events turn out to be incorrect then people that held certain scientific ideas as fact and that worked in fields where that was relevant, they would/should lose credibility in their respective fields, but i find that unlikely to ever happen.
 
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