Council tax evasion.

Pawnless Endgame · 31 Jan 2013 at 17:57

Inquizitor said:
Yeah, it's about £40 a month shared with my landlady. The bins and recycling are taken on time, the roads are kept gritted, they came and removed an old fridge for me since I don't have a car.

Free of charge? I don't have a car either and I had to pay £23 to have my fridge/freezer scrapped by the council.

anything I don't mind · 31 Jan 2013 at 17:58

The mistake with anti-council tax movement is thinking that the government and taxation is within the law. They force people to pay tax at threat of prison and violence (if you resist the cage). Why would any logical or reasonable legal argument be any defensive against the state when they are operating outside the framework of common law.

It is legalized theft and no amount of legal argument is ever going to change that. The state does not care if you think it is lawful or not, they will put you in a cage even if you could prove 100% that they are acting unlawfully. That is why when you phone up HMRC legal department and ask them about the legality of taxation they can not answer the questions, because they know it is unlawful theft at the threat of violence.

Inquizitor · 31 Jan 2013 at 17:59

Monserrat said:
Free of charge? I don't have a car either and I had to pay £23 to have my fridge/freezer scrapped by the council.

Yep, didn't cost me. It would have if I wanted it done on the day, but I waited a fortnight and they took it without charging.

Pawnless Endgame · 31 Jan 2013 at 18:07

Inquizitor said:
Yep, didn't cost me. It would have if I wanted it done on the day, but I waited a fortnight and they took it without charging.

Cool

I still had to pay for mine even though it took a couple of weeks for them too.

TheLegendOfMart · 31 Jan 2013 at 18:10

Inquizitor said:
Doesn't work in practice since there are shared services that you use passively as soon as you walk out of your front door - gritting, litter collection, pest control, lighting etc.

You could argue that you can opt out of certan services and pay less but not that you can opt out all together.

Yeah was just a poor attempt at being facetious. If they opt out of paying, they shouldn't expect the police to turn up if they are attacked, or fire if their houses is on fire, etc..

I have no issues with paying council tax.

doofer · 31 Jan 2013 at 18:12

gillywibble said:
Are they just making the law up to confuse people?

Parliament or the Freemen?

gothic_hobbit · 31 Jan 2013 at 18:23

spankingtexan said:
Came across this interesting video but not sure whether it'd hold up?
What are your thoughts? Please, no well how are services going to be paid for, just an opinion on the courts procedures and whether they are lawful in forcing council tax payments.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUyv5yfdH00&feature=player_detailpage

I predict a riot.

Jason2 · 31 Jan 2013 at 18:25

Well, the council think it's ok to close local services in an effort to save money yet completely welcome the idea of opening an islam faith school. It's no wonder people give them the two fingers.

MrMoonX · 31 Jan 2013 at 18:33

councils are cutting services left right and centre, paying massive salaries to non-jobs and executives, councillors racking up expenses and they have the bloody nerve to think that increasing it year on year is ok

Woden · 31 Jan 2013 at 18:42

Jason2 said:
Well, the council think it's ok to close local services in an effort to save money yet completely welcome the idea of opening an islam faith school. It's no wonder people give them the two fingers.

Irrelevant. Almost all Islamic schools are independent and have never received a penny from the council. The few that aren't are voluntary aided, owned-built by a charity but funded by the council, these have the same curriculum, same admission criteria, staff employed by council etc, nothing stopping a protestent child attending an islamic VA school anymore than there was me (baptised CoE, never went back to church) going to a RC school. Now I am against faith schools of any kind replacing state schools, but to bring up the issue here is very off topic.

The freeman on the land stuff makes me laugh. They just make it all up as they go along. Psuedo-legal babble to try and make themselves sound intelligent when all they really want is all the rights the law provides without any of the responsibilities.

Stretch · 31 Jan 2013 at 18:59

80% of council funding comes from central government, not council tax.

Of the money collected locally, anywhere from 5-40% goes towards the council pension fund. 25% isn't unusual.

I don't mind paying provided it's used sensibly. The freeman nuts are just plain wrong and most of them find out the hard way, eventually.

Phatzy · 31 Jan 2013 at 19:04

My mother is 58 on £178 a week full time working in warehouse making insulation for boilers, houses etc.
On no benefits because apparently she is above the fresh hold which I find hard to believe.

Rent = £79
Gas and Electric = £60
Bus to work = £19

Leaves her with £20 for food to last the week.

Being unable to eat and live is what is making people act like morons.
Not everyone is on a decent wage.

MrMoonX · 31 Jan 2013 at 19:09

Phatzy said:
My mother is 58 on £178 a week full time working in warehouse making insulation for boilers, houses etc.
On no benefits because apparently she is above the fresh hold which I find hard to believe.

Rent = £79
Gas and Electric = £60
Bus to work = £19

Leaves her with £20 for food to last the week.

Being unable to eat and live is what is making people act like morons.
Not everyone is on a decent wage.

tbh if i was proper poor, the last thing I would pay would be ctax, id make sure my rent, heating and food was paid they can go whistle if I was that destitute

Woden · 31 Jan 2013 at 19:14

Phatzy said:
My mother is 58 on £178 a week full time working in warehouse making insulation for boilers, houses etc.
On no benefits because apparently she is above the fresh hold which I find hard to believe.

Rent = £79
Gas and Electric = £60
Bus to work = £19

Leaves her with £20 for food to last the week.

Being unable to eat and live is what is making people act like morons.
Not everyone is on a decent wage.

That's below minimum wage.

spankingtexan · 31 Jan 2013 at 19:15

Phatzy said:
My mother is 58 on £178 a week full time working in warehouse making insulation for boilers, houses etc.
On no benefits because apparently she is above the fresh hold which I find hard to believe.

Rent = £79
Gas and Electric = £60
Bus to work = £19

Leaves her with £20 for food to last the week.

Being unable to eat and live is what is making people act like morons.
Not everyone is on a decent wage.

This makes me feel very angry, your mum deserves so much more,.

Jason2 · 31 Jan 2013 at 19:17

Woden said:
Irrelevant. Almost all Islamic schools are independent and have never received a penny from the council. The few that aren't are voluntary aided, owned-built by a charity but funded by the council, these have the same curriculum, same admission criteria, staff employed by council etc, nothing stopping a protestent child attending an islamic VA school anymore than there was me (baptised CoE, never went back to church) going to a RC school. Now I am against faith schools of any kind replacing state schools, but to bring up the issue here is very off topic.

The freeman on the land stuff makes me laugh. They just make it all up as they go along. Psuedo-legal babble to try and make themselves sound intelligent when all they really want is all the rights the law provides without any of the responsibilities.

I've been reading of a campaign to get a stated funded islamic school. All the paperwork has been sent off and they are now awaiting approval from the government. I'm just pretty p***ed about it tbh. I can see uproar if it gets approved.

Woden · 31 Jan 2013 at 19:19

Jason2 said:
I've been reading of a campaign to get a stated funded islamic school. All the paperwork has been sent off and they are now awaiting approval from the government. I'm just pretty p***ed about it tbh. I can see uproar if it gets approved.

Linky?

muon · 31 Jan 2013 at 19:23

Phatzy said:
My mother is 58 on £178 a week full time working in warehouse making insulation for boilers, houses etc.
On no benefits because apparently she is above the fresh hold which I find hard to believe.

Rent = £79
Gas and Electric = £60
Bus to work = £19

Leaves her with £20 for food to last the week.

Being unable to eat and live is what is making people act like morons.
Not everyone is on a decent wage.

That's a lot for Gas and Electricity for a single person. Help her move onto a better tariff.

£179 is about £190 before tax. At minimum wage that is 30 hours of work a week.

Such a person is entitled to the following working tax credit for the remaining part of the tax year (2 months). It may also be possible to get housing and council tax benefit.

Pawnless Endgame · 31 Jan 2013 at 19:26

Phatzy said:
Rent = £79
Gas and Electric = £60
Bus to work = £19

The rent and bus per week sounds about right, but duel-fuel @ £60 per week? I would have thought £60 per month.

Edit - beaten by Muon.

Phatzy · 31 Jan 2013 at 19:27

MrMoonX said:
tbh if i was proper poor, the last thing I would pay would be ctax, id make sure my rent, heating and food was paid they can go whistle if I was that destitute

I have to pay the council tax for her. Now that rent is going up too I've started to suggest to my mum that she go on the dole to be better off.