Gay Marriage to be Illegal in the Church of England

Thanks for the info.

But wasn't it Henry VIII that also 're-defined' marriage when he created the CoE in direct response to the then ban on re-marriage after divorce imposed by the Catholic Church so he could get married to his new wives?

...or was I not listening properly in history class? :p

Technically he seperated the CoE from the Roman Catholic Church because its rules did not suit some of his hedonistic traits.

I always disliked Tudor history, got to be the most arrogant ungrateful ****s ever to sit on the throne of England.
 
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I really can't see this get through all the hurdles and become law, so many opposition.

This is what I was wondering. Why is there so much hullabaloo over this bill today when it's on something like stage 2 of 12?! It'll never get passed by the old devils in the Lords.
 
I did laugh today listening to the radio when some guy said "well I love my brother, will that be legal for me to marry him too?".

I couldn't care less I just don't get why they care so much to want to get married somewhere that doesn't want them. If a group or system really didn't want me I wouldn't spend years trying to force myself in.

Fewer and fewer people care about marriage anyway apart from gays it seems.
 
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What I've always wondered, on a bit of a seperate note, is what makes gay people gay in the first place. I mean I personally am straight. But why am I? Why am I not gay? What makes me different from a gay person or vice versa? Is it some form of bizarre natural selection? The species's way of making sure we dont overpopulate by making some of us not want to reproduce naturally? Is it a genetic disorder? Is it nothing to do with biology and simply a lifestyle choice? Ooooh it makes me wonder!

You'll have to keep on wondering because nobody knows.

It seems extremely unlikely to be a lifestyle choice for several reasons:

1) It's not a lifestyle.

2) If it was simply a choice, why would anyone choose it? It's not so bad today, but in the recent past it was something you had to hide completely or face jail, maybe chemical castration, maybe a mental hospital. A bit further into the past and you could be executed for it. But some people were homosexual anyway.

3) Nobody recalls choosing their sexual orientation. Do you recall choosing to be heterosexual? There are some people who are bisexual and choose only heterosexual or only homosexual sex/relationships, but they're not choosing their sexual orientation.

It might be biological without any purpose. Natural selection isn't planned for efficiency - things can hang around regardless, especially if they're in some way connected with something that would be naturally selected. Consider, for example, sickle cell trait. Very useful if you inherit it from one parent only and malaria is common in the area you live in. Will kill you sooner or later if you inherit it from both parents. Maybe homosexuality is caused by a particular combination of variations of genes, e.g. matching 4 results in increased fitness (in evolutionary terms, i.e. an advantage in breeding) and matching 3 results in homosexuality. Or maybe not. Nobody knows.

Why are a similar number of people left-handed? Nobody knows that either, but far fewer people care.

And for the record. Not homophobic!

It's a shame that you have to add that when all you've done is ask a reasonable question in a reasonable way, but you're right to do so. There's irrational prejudice on all sides, as there usually is.

Like you seem to be, I'm interested in the answer purely out of curiosity. Just like I am regarding left-handedness and ambidexterity and various other things that aren't really important (although handedness is far more important than sexual orientation because it's genuinely relevant to many things).
 
Thanks for the info.

But wasn't it Henry VIII that also 're-defined' marriage when he created the CoE in direct response to the then ban on re-marriage after divorce imposed by the Catholic Church so he could get married to his new wives?

...or was I not listening properly in history class? :p

My understanding is that it was probably more about a culmination of a struggle for money and power between church and crown. By making himself head of the church as well as king, he resolved the conflict very much in his favour.

But yes, that did redefine some of the aspects of religious vows made during a wedding (but which weren't required for a wedding). So you're right - it is another example of a change in the definition of marriage in some ways.
 
I don't agree with gay marriage, I think having children is very important and so gay people should get married to the opposite sex, having children is more important than being physically attracted to your partner.
 
I don't agree with gay marriage, I think having children is very important and so gay people should get married to the opposite sex, having children is more important than being physically attracted to your partner.

Agreed, infertile people should be executed also, or at the very least not be allowed to form relationships
 
Agreed, infertile people should be executed also, or at the very least not be allowed to form relationships

As well as post menopausal women, in fact just to be safe let's ban any woman over 50 getting married and any bloke who's had a vasectomy whilst we're at it.

Finally fertile, young, heterosexual couples should also have their marriages annulled if they haven't had any kids within the first 3 years of saying 'I do'. We could also allow men to rip up the contract if their wives are selfish enough to have a miscarriage (afterall what's the point in staying with them if their womb doesn't work properly?).

My favourite part of the wedding vows has always been the bit where the man says "I do solemnly swear to get you up the duff".

:D(@hurfdurf) :rolleyes:(@starfighter)
 
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i dont like gay people and i dont like people talking about gay people..

i dont like them and i think they shouldnt be able to marry.. to me it seems strange..

just like gay people wanting kids, i dont agree with that..

my thinking isnt something my friends or family have talked me around to.

so im pretty sure i was just born this way, growing up and not fancying males and finding it messed up that anyone else would if they were liking the same sex..

gay people go on about being born this way, its not their fault they're gay..

well its not my fault i dong like gays and its no-ones fault they dont want to marry you..
 
i dont like gay people and i dont like people talking about gay people..

Well you've contributed to this thread so you can't dislike it that much.

i dont like them and i think they shouldnt be able to marry.. to me it seems strange..

It seems strange to me that you can say you don't like a whole group of people many (or rather none I suspect) of whom you have met just based on who they happen to fall in love with but hey ho.

just like gay people wanting kids, i dont agree with that..

Disagreeing with gay couples fostering/adopting is one thing, but not agreeing with the natural desire to want kids is a bit odd.

my thinking isnt something my friends or family have talked me around to.

Being closed minded FTW!

so im pretty sure i was just born this way, growing up and not fancying males and finding it messed up that anyone else would if they were liking the same sex..

The first bit of that sentence (up to 'and finding') is true and natural, the second is just a choice you have made and are still making.

gay people go on about being born this way, its not their fault they're gay..

You say that as if they're making it up.

well its not my fault i dong like gays

Yes it is. Is it not Nick Griffin's fault that he doesn't like black people?

and its no-ones fault they dont want to marry you..

Eh?
 
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You dong like gays Mickie?

******* excellent, and homosexuality has nothing to do with women not wanting to marry a guy. That doesn't even cover lesbianism. Is that an ism?

Anyhoo, some nice bigoted reasoning you've got there.

Fancy another three day fight over your lacking intellect?


OOoooohhhh Mickie you're blowing my mind again...
 
Oh Mickie
What a pity you don't understand
Homosexuals have hearts and wanna take their partner's hand.
Oh Mickie
You're so pretty
Can't you understand
That gays love you Mickie
Ooh what you do Mickie
Do Mickie
Don't break their hearts Mickie.
 
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no i dont think i'll argue my case..

but this is a great place to air my views without my friends reading.. because they wont agree with my hard-case views..

most gay people are friendly and i get on with them face to face but deep down i think they make me feel sick.. i guess i dont understand why..

marriage was always supposed to be between a man and woman..

i guess i kind of hate that gays want to force their way on other peoples lives and the church, shouldn't they just accept they're different and not expect things to change because of them.. accept you're gay and accept that a lot of people wont like you.
 
no i dont think i'll argue my case..

but this is a great place to air my views without my friends reading.. because they wont agree with my hard-case views..

most gay people are friendly and i get on with them face to face but deep down i think they make me feel sick.. i guess i dont understand why..

marriage was always supposed to be between a man and woman..

i guess i kind of hate that gays want to force their way on other peoples lives and the church, shouldn't they just accept they're different and not expect things to change because of them.. accept you're gay and accept that a lot of people wont like you.

I'm not gay but I find this 'view' absolutely disgusting. Who says that marriage is 'supposed' to be between a man and woman? Some church? The bible? It's bull imo.

A 15 year old boy from Oregon committed suicide a few days ago because he was bullied by people with your one dimensional beliefs.

I believe that gay people are born homosexual and therefore don't have a choice for whom they fall for, just like heterosexuals. You don't hear gay people saying that heterosexuality is wrong.

Gay people, straight people, race, age... everyone should be treated the same.
 
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gay people are treat like everyone else arent they?

the only difference is that the church has a tradition of marriage between a man and woman.. not gays..

just because i dont really like gay people does not mean they're treat any differently..
 
gay people are treat like everyone else arent they?

the only difference is that the church has a tradition of marriage between a man and woman.. not gays..

just because i dont really like gay people does not mean they're treat any differently..

No, they're not treated like everyone else.

The church has a tradition which I understand but it's bull imo. I don't believe that churches should rule whom they marry but that's my view.

Your views are so backwards and wrong imo. Some of the things you have said in this thread are absolutely terrible.
 
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No, they're not treated like everyone else.

The church has a tradition which I understand but it's bull imo. I don't believe that churches should rule whom they marry but that's my view.

Your views are so backwards and wrong imo. Some of the things you have said in this thread are absolutely terrible.

explain why they're so bad? they are just my views, their is no weight behind them, nothing i say will change a thing..

im not being bigoted, im open to understand why being gay feels so wrong to me.

i accept that they're here but why should i like their gayness, as a person they're fine but what they get upto in bed makes my skin crawl..


maybe to me gay just conjures up what they get upto in bad.. and i'd rather they just got on with their life without trying to change traditions
 
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