Gay Marriage to be Illegal in the Church of England

C.R.A.Z.Y · 6 Feb 2013 at 14:52

majnu said:
Don't mix backward Atheist traditions with the Churches.

If so then a big YaY to the irony :rolleyes:

Robbo · 6 Feb 2013 at 14:54

majnu said:
Don't mix backward Atheist traditions with the Churches.

McGray · 6 Feb 2013 at 14:58

Got to love the comments on that article.

I wish people would leave marriage alone, it's between a man and a woman.

I have no problem with Gay or Lesbian coupling but call it something else eg Garried (Married) and Garriage (Marriage). I get sick of the constant erosion of so called correctness this country.

d_brennen · 6 Feb 2013 at 15:00

C.R.A.Z.Y said:
If so then a big YaY to the irony

It's manju, there's no ironing here

RDM · 6 Feb 2013 at 15:09

Souleh said:
I dont see that really happening here. Yes ive seen it in the past but ive equally seen gay rights etc going very OTT too.

I dont see marriage as a human right and the church isnt shouting "Down with homosexuality" but theyre saying that they wont marry homosexuals either, still not seeing a problem. They are entitled to their beliefs, as is everyone. As I said before its not persecution against homosexuality either.

No, the proposal was that gay marriage is to be allowed and individual churches could choose to allow them on their premises or not. Religions get to decide if they wish to allow it or not so their beliefs are not being changed.

However some of the main religious organisations were campaigning agianst allowing gay marriage at all. So no civil marriages, no marriages in approving religions (some quakers for example). This is effectively religion trying to force their beliefs on to others.

C.R.A.Z.Y · 6 Feb 2013 at 15:13

Hitch would have approved had he still been here :-(

We miss you Hitch.

Castiel · 6 Feb 2013 at 15:24

smelly_legend said:
Now they whole gay thang is settled - I want to get married to at least 5 to 10 people at once.

That is actually a good point to make, if we are redefining the legal definition of Marriage to include homosexual relationships...which is fine as far as I am concerned...what reason is there to continue to ban polygamy and continue to imprison people for bigamy. Surely the entire system relating to marriage need to be looked at, while we should offer protections to married people from their partners marrying other without their consent or knowledge, I am not sure we should continue to discriminate against consensual polygamous relationships.

Also, are we retaining Civil Partnerships and if so will they still be limited to homosexual couples as that will then allow greater provision for homosexuals and ironically be discriminatory against heterosexual couples who may wish to have a civil partnership rather than a marriage.

Also, are we redefining the terms as well...as husband and husband seems strange as does wife and wife. The couples I know (5 of them) all simply refer to their "Life Partner" or "Partner" they all feel that Husband (or wife) is a bit strange. Do we need 21st century terms for 21st century marriage?

boxman2000 · 6 Feb 2013 at 15:38

Eeeeeethan said:
Where do you think gays come from, they don't just magically appear out of thin air, if god made Adam and Eve and (completely ignoring if its a choice or not) straight people can have gay children, then by extension god did create adam and steve?

Being gay is a choice and is not defined by genes. I know of many people who are gay that have straight sibblings and even have a relative overseas that has had a sex change (woman to a man and in a relationship with a woman) where one sister is gay and the brother is as straight as they come.

Yes, God created Adam and Steve but to have a game of pool or pop out for a pint but not to bed each other, sorry if that offends anyone but that is my belief and ultimately none of us would be here if it wasn't for heterosexual relationships.

gillywibble · 6 Feb 2013 at 15:39

boxman2000 said:
Being gay is a choice

LOL

Woden · 6 Feb 2013 at 15:41

boxman2000 said:
Being gay is a choice and is not defined by genes. I know of many people who are gay that have straight sibblings and even have a relative overseas that has had a sex change (woman to a man and in a relationship with a woman) where one sister is gay and the brother is as straight as they come.

Yes, God created Adam and Steve but to have a game of pool or pop out for a pint but not to bed each other, sorry if that offends anyone but that is my belief and ultimately none of us would be here if it wasn't for heterosexual relationships.

So when, exactly, did you choose to be straight?

estebanrey · 6 Feb 2013 at 15:44

boxman2000 said:
Being gay is a choice and is not defined by genes.

Richard Dawkins disagrees.....

Now let's see your biology qualifications....

boxman2000 said:
I know of many people who are gay that have straight sibblings and even have a relative overseas that has had a sex change (woman to a man and in a relationship with a woman) where one sister is gay and the brother is as straight as they come.

Wow that's solid logic there. I know someone who has cystic fibrosis and yet their sister doesn't. Having cystic fibrosis must therefore be a choice right and not a genetic disorder?

m4rk84 · 6 Feb 2013 at 15:45

boxman2000 said:
Being gay is a choice and is not defined by genes. I know of many people who are gay that have straight sibblings and even have a relative overseas that has had a sex change (woman to a man and in a relationship with a woman) where one sister is gay and the brother is as straight as they come.

Yes, God created Adam and Steve but to have a game of pool or pop out for a pint but not to bed each other, sorry if that offends anyone but that is my belief and ultimately none of us would be here if it wasn't for heterosexual relationships.

No species has been found in which homosexual behaviour has not been shown to exist, with the exception of species that never have sex at all. Homosexuality is extremely common in the wild.

I'm sorry but claiming it's some kind of choice when a vast amount of evidence points the opposite direction seems like a strange stance to me.

Castiel · 6 Feb 2013 at 16:07

m4rk84 said:
No species has been found in which homosexual behaviour has not been shown to exist, with the exception of species that never have sex at all. Homosexuality is extremely common in the wild.

I'm sorry but claiming it's some kind of choice when a vast amount of evidence points the opposite direction seems like a strange stance to me.

There is a difference in the Wild Animal Kingdom insofar that rarely (if ever, I have no heard of an example anyway) do animals display exclusive homosexual behaviour, it is normally as part of or in addition to their normal (and I mean that as in usual, not implying anything about homosexuality etc..) mating behaviour. Exclusive Homosexuality appears to be limited to Humans (unless you count a mutant gene in some fruit-flies).

Please correct me if I am wrong, I am not a zoologist or biologist.

Biohazard · 6 Feb 2013 at 16:17

Not sure you can really say that Castiel, I mean did they tell us that or did we stumble across a sex manual on each animal?

I mean check out these lesbian bitches..

Boss!

Twirlywoos · 6 Feb 2013 at 16:26

STOP IMPOSING YOUR LAWS ON THE CHURCH!!!

Church is a religious institute if you want to turn it into a mockery then go to Vegas where they can build you a nice replica with a sermon held by Chad.

cHk4 · 6 Feb 2013 at 16:32

majnu said:
STOP IMPOSING YOUR LAWS ON THE CHURCH!!!

Church is a religious institute if you want to turn it into a mockery then go to Vegas where they can build you a nice replica with a sermon held by Chad.

Does Muslim-ism allow gay marriage?

Castiel · 6 Feb 2013 at 16:35

majnu said:
STOP IMPOSING YOUR LAWS ON THE CHURCH!!!

Church is a religious institute if you want to turn it into a mockery then go to Vegas where they can build you a nice replica with a sermon held by Chad.

The Church (at least the CofE) is part of the State in the UK Majnu....Itis part of the Legislature and so is not entirely a religious institution, it is also a political one.

bam0 · 6 Feb 2013 at 16:47

Castiel said:
The Church (at least the CofE) is part of the State in the UK Majnu....Itis part of the Legislature and so is not entirely a religious institution, it is also a political one.

So let's disestablish it and be done with this mess. The currently instituted church would be free to do whatever it wanted then.

SexyGreyFox · 6 Feb 2013 at 16:50

I actually respect what one of my mates wrote on Facebook last night after somebody asked him if he and his partner would get married in church -

Rob on Facebook said:
Why the **** would me and Gary get married in a place that has discriminated against us for all our lives, that would be like Kunte Kinte becoming best friends with the slave master that beat him for years. What we gays should do is thank the Govt for changing tradition and tell them all to **** off.

TheLegendOfMart · 6 Feb 2013 at 16:53

cHk4 said:
Does Muslim-ism allow gay marriage?

Seriously?

Never heard of Islam?