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Why is the 7970 so cheap compared to the 680?

I thought that may be the case, on the performance side of things.

I do try to keep an open mind xD

So, you are suggesting if I have the money, I go for a 4GB 670, or a 7950 if I don't?

EDIT: Oh and OC the crap out of them xD

I suppose. However as Rusty posted earlier which such marginal % performance you wont feel/notice (physx etc aside) the difference of the extra hundreds.

If you are prepeared to spend 4GB 680 money, to me it would make more sense to get a 7950, save the difference and down the line add the resale value of the 7950 to a new card in a yea or 2 if you decide it's necessary.
 
It is confirmed (via inside sources) that the new consoles are going to have 2GB vRAM :P I know this for a fact. It's a little iffy as to what manufacturers are doing what (I think both Sony and Microsoft have gone for AMD Processors, strangely) but not sure about the GPU. I just know that at LEAST Durango is going to have 2GB vRAM. I do believe Durango is going into production stages around now.

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Pretty much everyone in here seems to be an AMD person haha. I'm not an Nvidia fanboy as such, I just know what I like about their cards and what I don't, I love Kepler and I must've heard worse things about AMDs cards than Nvidia's.

I know I'm going to have to pay more for the peace of mind of having the card I'm comfortably with or get equal/more performance if I pay less, however weird the argument is.

I'm always a bit uncomfortable with AMD due to the fact that their drivers are pretty much there for bloody ages, if they **** something up, it isn't fixed for months. With Nvidia, I'm pretty much guaranteed to be able to use a driver from some point and it will work fine, it's just finding the one. If they **** something up, 80% of the time, it'll be fixed within a few weeks. I also get a lot more choice on performance in games etc.

I can't believe I've become a victim of marketing >,<

EDIT: As I've said many times, I mainly want the extra vRAM to be safe. So an AMD stock card is fine, while with Nvidia, I'll have to pay a bit more to get the extra RAM to be comfortable. I just do not want to face the same problem I did this time around, because it's sucked majorly.

EDIT: I'm an idiot for considering a 660Ti, aren't I? I just had a Ti card, and the limitations were just so irritating. I just saw "3GB GDDR5" and the price £270 in the same sentence and the Nvidia urge would be quenched... But I can't face another choked card like the last one >.< WHY IS A VIDEO CARD SUCH A HARD DECISION!?
 
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This might give you an idea what memory usage the 7970 uses on BF3 (on screen Afterburner stats). Although this is on a small CQ map. Bigger maps will use more memory, it gives you an idea. Rarely do I hit over 2gig in BF3 and this is running on ultra (motion blur off) only 1920x1080. If you use a higher rez monitor, you will see that usage go up.

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Both consoles are AMD GPU's, meaning basically every console port for the next 5 years is going to be pre-AMD architecture optimised(though years from now AMD may move on from GCN architecture to something different, I would still expect the tie in to mean all games are quite pro AMD).

Every device out there gets bad drivers, thats life, the biggest reason people have issues with AMD drivers is the second a new one is available they jump to it, if thats 49 beta's in between official drivers, some here install almost all of them. Stick to working drivers and update for anything big, and you'll usually have few issue, Nvidia have their bad drivers without question, drivers that stopped fans working killing cards is an Nvidia exclusive, and they've had one of the worst and longest running bugs (which I honestly don't know but assume has finally been fixed).

From both cards most driver has stopped responding/blue screen crashes blaming gpu drivers for AMD/Nvidia are just unstable systems people don't realise are unstable... this frequently happens when people go from an older card to a newer card, that draws higher power(normally, not always) but people run the overclock that was stable on the previous system, and blame the card for constant crashing when simple with a different power draw, a settings for a stable overclock have changed.

Personally with 7970 vs 680gtx pricing, its a no contest, I think with the latest 7970 vs 7950 prices, I'd go with the 70 because the "higher" card despite not being an awful lot faster is often wanted more second hand and holds value better so ends up costing the same after both are sold.

The 670gtx is closer on price but further on performance, making it really not worth it either right now, but then the cheapest 7970's are likely overclocking limited as several are voltage locked now.

This is really why buying when new gen comes out is the best value, most generations you get a high quality AMD made pcb, voltage control, good overclocking and you get to use it the longest before the next gen comes out, you basically get the most value buying around a month after launch when you spot a great deal somewhere as some place usually screws up pricing(a non specialist store that finally starts stocking them is ideal :p ).

Today, I'd be waiting for the next gen cards, for either a good deal on next gen, or sale price on the current gen.

A couple months before the next gen launches is really the worst time to buy.
 
It is confirmed (via inside sources) that the new consoles are going to have 2GB vRAM :P I know this for a fact. It's a little iffy as to what manufacturers are doing what (I think both Sony and Microsoft have gone for AMD Processors, strangely)

Care to share or explain how you know it as fact considering you don't know what Cpu there using?

There using the AMD 6 core processor.

Not saying your talking out of your hoop but "inside source" is widley used over the inter net.

BTW go the 7950/7970 the extra money saved could always go towards xfire when needed.

Now ATI are releasing good drivers ( at last) theres no reason to spend over the odds on team green.(no fan boi here either used to be a Nvidia user :D)
 
Sorry, stupid question, isn't the 7970 Ghz edition with the 13.1 never settle drivers quicker than the 680, has more VRAM and cheaper? In which case unless you need Nvidia features surely it's better to go for the 7970?

That may have changed, i've not checked prices in a while.
 
Both consoles are AMD GPU's, meaning basically every console port for the next 5 years is going to be pre-AMD architecture optimised(though years from now AMD may move on from GCN architecture to something different, I would still expect the tie in to mean all games are quite pro AMD).

Every device out there gets bad drivers, thats life, the biggest reason people have issues with AMD drivers is the second a new one is available they jump to it, if thats 49 beta's in between official drivers, some here install almost all of them. Stick to working drivers and update for anything big, and you'll usually have few issue, Nvidia have their bad drivers without question, drivers that stopped fans working killing cards is an Nvidia exclusive, and they've had one of the worst and longest running bugs (which I honestly don't know but assume has finally been fixed).

From both cards most driver has stopped responding/blue screen crashes blaming gpu drivers for AMD/Nvidia are just unstable systems people don't realise are unstable... this frequently happens when people go from an older card to a newer card, that draws higher power(normally, not always) but people run the overclock that was stable on the previous system, and blame the card for constant crashing when simple with a different power draw, a settings for a stable overclock have changed.

Personally with 7970 vs 680gtx pricing, its a no contest, I think with the latest 7970 vs 7950 prices, I'd go with the 70 because the "higher" card despite not being an awful lot faster is often wanted more second hand and holds value better so ends up costing the same after both are sold.

The 670gtx is closer on price but further on performance, making it really not worth it either right now, but then the cheapest 7970's are likely overclocking limited as several are voltage locked now.

This is really why buying when new gen comes out is the best value, most generations you get a high quality AMD made pcb, voltage control, good overclocking and you get to use it the longest before the next gen comes out, you basically get the most value buying around a month after launch when you spot a great deal somewhere as some place usually screws up pricing(a non specialist store that finally starts stocking them is ideal :p ).

Today, I'd be waiting for the next gen cards, for either a good deal on next gen, or sale price on the current gen.

A couple months before the next gen launches is really the worst time to buy.

Next gen cards aren't launching until at least Q4. The roadmap has been pushed back by essentially another year. Hence the reason why I'm considering buying now. I was going to wait for Maxwell (Usable as a CPU, crazy ass ****), but now I'm beginning to change my mind, and may sell up in a year or two's time THEN move to newer cards.

Care to share or explain how you know it as fact considering you don't know what Cpu there using?

There using the AMD 6 core processor.

Not saying your talking out of your hoop but "inside source" is widley used over the inter net.

BTW go the 7950/7970 the extra money saved could always go towards xfire when needed.

Now ATI are releasing good drivers ( at last) theres no reason to spend over the odds on team green.(no fan boi here either used to be a Nvidia user :D)

I know they're using an AMD 6 Core CPU @ 1.6. What I'm saying is my inside source (Part of the Xbox Scene IRC, ****ed with PN a lot before whitelisting, hacked into MS' distribution for XBL etc.) has confirmed that these specs are real, that is all. Everyone's seen them, but not everyone knows that they're actually real. Those ARE the specs for Durango. It used to have built in SSD caching that was going to reduce load times to 0, but Microsoft cheaped and removed it. I'm just not sure what GPU they're using, other than that it should be equivalent to top line GPUs today and it's using 2GB vRAM. I know the CPU. I used to have an understanding that it was intel... not sure what happened, but after the SSD caching removal, nothing will surprise me.

It looks like I may end up going for a 7950/7970. I honestly can't say an Nvidia card is better. Although my Kepler chip in my laptop is better than AMD alternatives, I really can't see what benefit there is in Desktop right now, other than the choice in drivers and long, LONG legacy support, not a problem for me.

Sorry, stupid question, isn't the 7970 Ghz edition with the 13.1 never settle drivers quicker than the 680, has more VRAM and cheaper? In which case unless you need Nvidia features surely it's better to go for the 7970?

That may have changed, i've not checked prices in a while.

Yeah, I'm feeling it may have to be AMD.

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I just wish AMD had a ****ing control panel I liked XD

Does anyone know some good pricing on a 7970/7950, or are there Nazi policies on here as to what you can post due to the fact this site is a little overpriced and they don't want sales to be detracted from here? >.< I just want what's cheapest D;
 
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Yes, but it's been quicker than the 680 for about 8 months now, since June, when the 12.7beta drivers appeared.;)

Do you know what a sensible 7970/7950 would be to buy that tends to be cheap, but that gives me freedom of OC'ing? Voltage locks are the devil.
 
The whole AMD drivers are crap thing is so last year... They changed the way they do them now and they are thousands of times better.
I would buy a 7950 simply because the price is amazing
 
Don't waste money on 7970 or 680. Buy either a 7950 or 670 and overclock the hell out of them and get better performance than 7970 or 680 for far less price
 
Not everyone wants to OC though, even with OC a 7970/680 will surpass anything you're likely to churn out of a 7950/670.

If the price is right, i.e. under £300, I'd grab a 7970.

AMD drivers should be pretty much rock solid for a single card setup, even if you CF later down the line AMD are making great strides towards good multi-card drivers, 13.2 betas have been absolutely flawless for me with CF 7970's.
 
Do you know what a sensible 7970/7950 would be to buy that tends to be cheap, but that gives me freedom of OC'ing? Voltage locks are the devil.

XFX 7950 DD, in theory it's voltage locked, but trixx is the tool of choice on the DD, trixx gets round the voltage lock as if it wasn't there, you don't have to enable anything in trixx, it just lets you make the adjustments.

Very cheap@roughly £210, but if your going for hardcore overclocking, it may pay looking elsewhere as there is no way to monitor vrm temps(very important(imo) with high oc's on the 79's).

The DD can't be touched for the price, but no vrm readout and you can't remove the cooler without voiding the warranty to offset the price difference.
 
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