Prostitution - your stance

[platypus]

Whoa, whoa, whoa.

The two are linked! We can't talk about prostitution without talking about the sex trade. The sex trade is linked to drugs, this is pretty obvious.

I highly doubt all whores are working in the trade because they chose a rubbish degree.

I'm not entirely sure I follow really. I didn't say they weren't linked. I merely said I didn't need to discuss it to go into the point of tax evasion.

I am at least trying to remain objective, both to the thread and the discussion in hand. Can you do that using such pejorative as "whore"?

 

[sigma]

Edited.

 

[sigma]

I merely said I didn't need to discuss it to go into the point of tax evasion.

I see, I didn't read it properly.

 

[Marky]

legalising will probably make more girls who may need some money go into it.. no one wants that for their daughter

I imagine it'd still have the same stigma attached to it if it was legalised and regulated. Just like if someone was a topless dancer.

This is probably going to sound harsh (So brace yourselves ) - but if they don't want that for their daughter, they probably should have tried harder to educate them and get them into a secure full time job rather than them having to turn to prostitution.

 

[platypus]

I see, I didn't read it properly.

S'alright .

 

[nath247]

Would love to see their P60.

 

[dowie]

What I find even more comical is that he believes he's some sort of lone guardian, on here, standing up for women's rights yet he's taking advantage of them (women, not their rights) for personal gain. All whilst performing illegal activities.

???

Usually the reverse is claimed and the customers are accused of taking advantage? Are you seriously saying that a guy who pimps himself out to women is taking advantage of them?

If anything its a mutual thing, surely?

Also hurfdurf should be paying tax regardless of the excuses he's posted. In reality he can claim to be an 'actor', 'model' whatever.... bill people for his time only. Not paying taxes IMO weakens the position of people who want to legitimise that business.

 

[dowie]

legalising will probably make more girls who may need some money go into it.. no one wants that for their daughter

riiiiiiight

lap dancing clubs are legal - does the fact that they exist, and are legal mean that dads should be worried about their daughter's becoming lap dancers?

 

[sigma]

???

Usually the reverse is claimed and the customers are accused of taking advantage? Are you seriously saying that a guy who pimps himself out to women is taking advantage of them?

I didn't really look at it like that. More a case of unstable women needing to pay for sex? So using their instabilities for personal gain. Do many sane women pay for sex?

Perhaps I am mistaken.

Also hurfdurf should be paying tax regardless of the excuses he's posted. In reality he can claim to be an 'actor', 'model' whatever.... bill people for his time only. Not paying taxes IMO weakens the position of people who want to legitimise that business.

There surely must be a way but if your moral standards are that low why would you want to pay tax? It'd be at the high rate of tax too, so if you can get away with it then you might as well?

 

[dowie]

I didn't really look at it like that. More a case of unstable women needing to pay for sex? So using their instabilities for personal gain. Do many sane women pay for sex?

Perhaps I am mistaken.

Perhpas you are...

I'd assume that if he's an MMA fighter he likely has the sort of physique women find desirable... if there is a market out there for 'male escorts' etc.. then.... I don't think the assumption that these women are insane is a reasonable one.

If the situation is reversed and we're talking about some middle aged bloke paying for sex with a young lady then do you consider the middle aged man to be insane and the young lady to be taking advantage of them?

There surely must be a way but if your moral standards are that low why would you want to pay tax? It'd be at the high rate of tax too, so if you can get away with it then you might as well?

Why is selling sex, in itself, immoral? Are you basing that on adherence to some religious book? Is it just because you've been brought up/conditioned into accepting that it is?

 

[sigma]

If the situation is reversed and we're talking about some middle aged bloke paying for sex with a young lady then do you consider the middle aged man to be insane and the young lady to be taking advantage of them?

Quite possibly? I didn't say that all of his clients will be insane.

As I said, perhaps I am mistaken. I'm happy to admit that and think about it. I've never really thought too deeply about prostitution tbh.

Why is selling sex, in itself, immoral? Are you basing that on adherence to some religious book? Is it just because you've been brought up/conditioned into accepting that it is?

I meant moral standards as in not being bothered about not paying tax. I have not said that selling sex is immoral.

 

[hurfdurf]

I didn't really look at it like that. More a case of unstable women needing to pay for sex? So using their instabilities for personal gain. Do many sane women pay for sex?

Perhaps I am mistaken.

Its more than perhaps, its offensive both to me and anyone who has used the services of a sex worker for what ever reason.

 

[hurfdurf]

I meant moral standards as in not being bothered about not paying tax. I have not said that selling sex is immoral.

I would pay tax if I could do it on the same footing as everyone else, until I can pay tax fairly like everyone else, I will not be doing so via that aspect of my life and I don't know any one else in the same line of work who does as well, including plenty of dancers.

I do not claim benefits and when I do work in either a temp or part time basis as an actual employee I pay my tax's.

 

[233]

hurf durf, surely you could pay tax as a self employed status?

nothing stopping you


oh and this thread needs some pics to sort it out

 

[sigma]

Its more than perhaps, its offensive both to me and anyone who has used the services of a sex worker for what ever reason.

I guess we're equally offended then. I am offended by your attitude towards tax.

 

[hurfdurf]

I guess we're equally offended then. I am offended by your attitude towards tax.

I am offended by the people who want me to pay tax's opinion on what I do for a living.

Bare in mind here, I would be paying tax for performing an activity that that same tax money would be used to harm me, my business and my clients, no one else is asked to pay tax in such a situation. Give me equal rights and I will pay equally.

 

[sports_brah]

legalising will probably make more girls who may need some money go into it.. no one wants that for their daughter

Precisely.

As much as people like Hurfdurf (in their extremely desensitised view) may wish, the idea of sex being a socially accepted commodity is never to going to happen. Its been stigmatised since the start of time, because sex IS important to people.

So in legalising prostitution you're going to create a massive unequal vacuum and will result in a lot more misery, as I certainly wouldn't want to marry someone who had sucked off other dudes for money, and I certainly wouldn't wish that life on my kin!

And no, before you go off into your usual anti religion stuff, it's the viewpoint of more than religious people.

Even the idea of promiscuous sex still doesn't sit right with some people, add to the fact the idea of whoring themselves out, and you've got the makings of a defunct society.

There's always going to be those that fall through the cracks, and protection should be there to help raise them above it. Trying to make it socially acceptable would be a disaster.

 

[hurfdurf]

So in legalising prostitution you're going to create a massive unequal vacuum and will result in a lot more misery, as I certainly wouldn't want to marry someone who had sucked off other dudes for money, and I certainly wouldn't wish that life on my kin!

Why do you consider a blow job a bad thing to have given someone* (assuming the desire to do it?)

You will probably marry someone who has "sucked off" a few dudes in her time if you marry past the age of 25. Will they be tainted beyond repair? Does it affect your precious manhood?

*also assuming its either a gay man or a straight woman doing it

 

[dowie]

As much as people like Hurfdurf (in their extremely desensitised view) may wish, the idea of sex being a socially accepted commodity is never to going to happen. Its been stigmatised since the start of time, because sex IS important to people.

Ok that's not true for a start... Ancient Egyptians used to have big orgies, Greeks used to bum teenage boys.... attitudes towards sex have completely varied through history from blatant promiscuity to societies full of prudes.

So in legalising prostitution you're going to create a massive unequal vacuum and will result in a lot more misery, as I certainly wouldn't want to marry someone who had sucked off other dudes for money, and I certainly wouldn't wish that life on my kin!

I wouldn't want to marry someone who's already had kids, I wouldn't want to marry someone who has tattoos, I wouldn't want to marry someone who stacks shelves in Asda for a living and yeah I also wouldn't want to marry someone who makes a living on her back.

Doesn't mean I don't support someones rights to do that.

There's always going to be those that fall through the cracks, and protection should be there to help raise them above it. Trying to make it socially acceptable would be a disaster.

You don't have to even make it socially acceptable - your argument is already flawed, lap dancing clubs are prevalent in most cities in the UK it hasn't resulted in everyone's daughters becoming lap dancers. Germany and Holland already have a regulated sex industry it doesn't mean the whole of their society engages with it... it does mean that people who chose to engage in that business can work in a safe environment.

 

[smelly_legend]

If one's daughter started renting herself out, one would have to get used to it or lock her up/blackmail (If one locks her up/blackmail - one would have to ask them self questions about their own ethics - pot, kettle, black)

Nothing one can do about it - except ask them to stop. That's it.

Then when one does get used to it, it would not bother one any more.