Can I bring a guitar in as hand luggage from the states?

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easyrider said:
You have actively bought items from a company that circumnavigates paying UK tax. You buying from Amazon means that the government don't get their proper taxes meaning schools can't be built.

You are supporting companies that tax dodge

Congrats.
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You missed the bit about IMPORT FEES? The sales tax apply to US. Since it was leaving the US it paid no local sales tax. I however paid Import fees. The way it works is the tax is paid upfront and it is estimated, and if the duty is less than what was paid upfront, I get a refund.

and look what happened ? A refund!

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Raymond Lin said:
Yes and no.

It would be what is known as sale under market value in bankruptcy proceedings.

A sale under value occur when the Defendant sell assets to a 3rd party at a below market value in order to keep the creditor's hands off it.

If the sale is made within 2 years (i think) of the bankruptcy then that sale is void.
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But this isn't a bankruptcy case so the above is irrelevant.

Raymond Lin said:
Then again, I am not an expert in import duty. The above could simply be not applicable then I would have ZERO problem with it. However, as it stands, Easyrider's intention is to lie. Fine, do it, i don't care.

He apparently doesn't like it when I call him a liar.
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But he wouldn't be lying if he sold the guitar to his uncle who in turn gave it back to him as a present (which was my point).
 
estebanrey said:
But he wouldn't be lying if he sold the guitar to his uncle who in turn gave it back to him as a present (which was my point).
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I think the point is that the guitar has a market value, even if it is a gift.

If your relative post a present to you from outside the EU, the limit is £36.

£18 if not marked as gift.
 
Raymond Lin said:
You are confusing avoiding and evading.
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Clutching at straws.

Tax evasion is the general term for efforts by individuals, corporations, trusts and other entities to evade taxes by illegal means. Tax evasion usually entails taxpayers deliberately misrepresenting or concealing the true state of their affairs to the tax authorities to reduce their tax liability and includes in particular dishonest tax reporting, such as declaring less income, profits or gains than actually earned or overstating deductions.

Tax avoidance, on the other hand, is the legal utilization of the tax regime to one's own advantage to reduce the amount of tax that is payable by means that are within the law. Both tax evasion and avoidance can be viewed as forms of tax noncompliance, as they describe a range of activities that are unfavorable to a state's tax system, though such characterization of tax avoidance is suspect, given that avoidance operates lawfully, within self-creating systems


You support tax non compliance...You buy stuff from Amazon. Thats why Amazon can sell their stuff so cheap. Its people like you.Supporting these comapnies that take part in activities that are unfavorable to the UK's tax system,
 
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estebanrey said:
The example I gave above about selling it to his uncle is 'avoiding' yet you still think that is wrong and a lie.

And you keep confusing ordering something into the country and bringing something into the country personally.
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Guitar value exceed £390.

He is bring it in.

He is owe 20%.

That is a fact.
 
Raymond Lin said:
Guitar value exceed £390.
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Says who?

Do they have some Antiques Roadshow type expert in customs? Nothing has any intrinsic value, just an amount people are prepared to pay for it.

Tax works on what you paid for it, not what some guy 'thinks' it's worth. If I go into a shop in the UK and buy a DVD player that (excluding VAT) is reduced from £200 to £50 I only pay 20% of £50, they don't say oh well it's actually worth £200 so you have to pay £40 in VAT do they?

Buy it, sell it to uncle, but it back for less than £390. Get uncle to give him receipt.

No laws broken, and OP has avoided tax like your beloved Amazon (who by your book aren't doing anything wrong).
 
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estebanrey said:
Says who?

Do they have some Antiques Roadshow type expert in customs? Nothing has any intrinsic value, just an amount people are prepared to pay for it.

Tax works on what you paid for it, not what some guy 'thinks' it's worth. If I go into a shop in the UK and buy a DVD player that (excluding VAT) is reduced from £200 to £50 I only pay 20% of £50, they don't say oh well it's actually worth £200 so you have to pay £40 in VAT do they?

Buy it, sell it to uncle, but it back for less than £390. Get uncle to give him receipt.

No laws broken, and OP has avoided tax like your beloved Amazon (who by your book aren't doing anything wrong).
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Indeed....But he has completely ignored his support of Tax Non compliance.

Maybe its because he gets cheap Camera stuff from them?:p
 
Last few times I've flown back from the states (mostly KLM via amsterdam) aside from the security checks at the airport in the states I'm flying from I've not actually dealt with any other officials - once I've got back to the UK - mostly coming in via Bristol there haven't even been anyone maning customs, etc. just immigrations and sometimes a couple of security guys randomly pulling people out for a pat down/ask questions then let them on their way.
 
easyrider said:
No you missed the point about supporting companies that dodge UK tax laws.
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:confused: Honestly you are making yourself look a right pratt, Raymond is correct you are wrong.

There is no equivalence to completely legally buying goods from Amazon or Starbucks (irrespective of what they subsequently do with their own tax affairs) and intentionally lying about the ownership and transactional situation of an item to purposefully avoid paying the duty/tax that is due.

Now, does it really matter and do people care, not a jot and you are correct everyone (except Raymond :p) does it, just like speeding. But that does not change the fact you are lying and breaking the law, no matter how hard you try to twist it :)

For the record, I would do it, I don't care you are going to do it, I'm just laughing at you and your cognitive dissonance.
 
Freakbro said:
:confused: Honestly you are making yourself look a right pratt, Raymond is correct you are wrong.

There is no equivalence to completely legally buying goods from Amazon or Starbucks (irrespective of what they subsequently do with their own tax affairs) and intentionally lying about the ownership and transactional situation of an item to purposefully avoid paying the duty/tax that is due.

Now, does it really matter and do people care, not a jot and you are correct everyone (except Raymond :p) does it, just like speeding. But that does not change the fact you are lying and breaking the law, no matter how hard you try to twist it :)

For the record, I would do it, I don't care you are going to do it, I'm just laughing at you and your cognitive dissonance.
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Finally a sensible post!

The legal situation is clear and no matter what wierd suggestions people come up with involving your uncle you will still be breaking the law. Yes you will actively lie about it on the way back through customs even if you speak to nobody simply choosing the green lane when you know you should be choosing the red at customs is an active decision to lie and decieve.

Do I care? No. Will you get caught? Probably not.
 
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