'Jon Venables Twitter Photo' Investigation

[Conanius]

So I think there is quite a bit of misunderstanding about this case.

My wife studied the original case as part of her degree into early years psycology. It isn't as black and white that 2 'normal' kids watched a horror film and then snatched a younger child and tortured him.

Both Jon and Robert were both on a children at risk register, and had been abused all their life. What they did was probably, as harsh as this sounds, 'normal' to them.

I am NOT condoning what they did, simply stating that exposure to horrifying events at a young age clearly had an impact on them.

 

[grimm]

I'm not sure anything constructive can come from this discussion. All that happens is the people that have a bit of sympathy for the killers, because they were only ten or because they had terrible upbringings, are pounced upon by the people who want to go out with their pitch forks and string them up.

 

[cjgardens]

Neither of them should have been released, they knew what they were doing. I'm slightly younger than them and I knew what they did.

 

[King Damager]

I think the thing that makes it clear that he should be locked up is the finding of the indecent images later in life. If it hadn't been for that, then it arguably would have been much easier to put it down to childhood youth and abuse.

kd

 

[mattyg]

So I think there is quite a bit of misunderstanding about this case.

My wife studied the original case as part of her degree into early years psycology. It isn't as black and white that 2 'normal' kids watched a horror film and then snatched a younger child and tortured him.

Both Jon and Robert were both on a children at risk register, and had been abused all their life. What they did was probably, as harsh as this sounds, 'normal' to them.

I am NOT condoning what they did, simply stating that exposure to horrifying events at a young age clearly had an impact on them.

Sticking batteries up a toddlers backside is NOT normal in anyones world

 

[cjgardens]

Sticking batteries up a toddlers backside is NOT normal in anyones world

Who knows what else they did...... a lot more could have happened that was never leaked

 

[The Geezer]

Was he rehabilitated whilst inside or was he just locked up ?

I'm guessing it's more stick than carrot hence why we have high re-offender rates

 

[fluffmct]

Sticking batteries up a toddlers backside is NOT normal in anyones world

You're the all powerful judge of what is deemed normal by other people then?

Of course I wouldn't condone what they did but people who commit these crimes are almost always victims of similar offences and never develop a moral compass that our society deems "normal"

 

[grimm]

Was he rehabilitated whilst inside or was he just locked up ?

I'm guessing it's more stick than carrot hence why we have high re-offender rates

From what I read about him he had all sorts of counselling and special treatment. Probably because it was a special case, unprecedented really, and because they were children themselves.

 

[Vulcan]

That photo's been around for yonks. Why is this suddenly breaking news?

The recent one of him as an adult?

 

[Dolph]

So I think there is quite a bit of misunderstanding about this case.

My wife studied the original case as part of her degree into early years psycology. It isn't as black and white that 2 'normal' kids watched a horror film and then snatched a younger child and tortured him.

Both Jon and Robert were both on a children at risk register, and had been abused all their life. What they did was probably, as harsh as this sounds, 'normal' to them.

I am NOT condoning what they did, simply stating that exposure to horrifying events at a young age clearly had an impact on them.

Which makes it all the more important to recognise both the need for rehabilitation and the what should be done if rehabilitation fails. We need to stop excusing behaviour and acknowledge that, if treatment and rehabilitation do not work, they may need to be permanantly incarcerated if they cannot distinguish right from wrong.

Note that I am not making a judgement in this case, I have neither the qualifications nor the experience to do so. But we often seem to see mental illness/damage/deficiency as an excuse for behaviour, rather than acknowledge that it often makes the individual more of a risk than a 'normal' offender.

 

[Von Smallhausen]

Who knows what else they did...... a lot more could have happened that was never leaked

I know what they did as the subject has come up in various training courses. It defies belief.

 

[spookywillow]

Not as simple as that, my mother taught kids with special needs(emotional) and some of them have a hard life, their role models are pretty grim in some cases. You especially needs good role models at that age. You show complete lack of understanding of people needs, desires and the temptation to do wrong.

I dont think I do, He had a bad upbringing and what was done to him affected him beyond help, rehab proved that. You yourself show a complete lack of understanding that some people WILL NOT change regardless of how much help and support you give them, He had his chance and blew it.

I have my own children, one of which is a "problem child" and has had the same upbringing as the rest of my children yet she is the only bad one. Do you have kids?

 

[d_brennen]

That he re-offended when released should really close the case. Sad as it is I guess some people are just bad eggs and should be removed from circulation permanently. I know keeping someone locked up is ridiculously expensive, it wouldn't be if I were in charge

 

[Haggisman]

Not as simple as that, my mother taught kids with special needs(emotional) and some of them have a hard life, their role models are pretty grim in some cases. You especially needs good role models at that age. You show complete lack of understanding of people needs, desires and the temptation to do wrong.

You're right - it's completely someone else's fault. Let's not force the poor little diddums to take any responsibility for their actions. 10 is more than old enough to know right from wrong.

 

[Kimi]

Without knowing more of the case, and his mental reports its hard to comment, its a vile and awful act he committed, i feel he should be in jail still for his crime

 

[Dolph]

You're right - it's completely someone else's fault. Let's not force the poor little diddums to take any responsibility for their actions. 10 is more than old enough to know right from wrong.

Careful of the psychologist's fallacy here. What you mean is that by the age of 10, normal children should know right from wrong. If they don't, then there is an issue that reqiures treatment that ultimately is going to be very similar to imprisionment anyway.

 

[teenwolf]

he had a second chance and he blew that aswell, should never be released.

 

[Inquizitor]

Difficult case. I don't think people are truly able to grasp the enormity of life and death at aged 10, however it's clear that this is a very rare case (given that so few people at a young age commit murder).

In Venable's case, the act itself coupled with his incarceration has sadly led to a very messed up individual, whom I believe should be institutionalised for the forseeable future.

 

[chriscubed]

Which makes it all the more important to recognise both the need for rehabilitation and the what should be done if rehabilitation fails. We need to stop excusing behaviour and acknowledge that, if treatment and rehabilitation do not work, they may need to be permanantly incarcerated if they cannot distinguish right from wrong.

This. Prison should be there to protect more than punish.