Because someone said they wondered how AMD were doing. Don't be jelly now nvidia being having bigger profits in no way makes their products better. Heck you just need to look at apple for that.
Edit: Just seen your edit above, you seem real mad bro.
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Because someone said they wondered how AMD were doing. Don't be jelly now nvidia being having bigger profits in no way makes their products better. Heck you just need to look at apple for that.
Edit: Just seen your edit above, you seem real mad bro.
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Did he link to the sales figures or profits for the GPU part of the company??
Did he link just to the financials,no?? They actually made a small profit,and AMD actually suffers from having non-competitive notebook offerings and not where you think.
Their switching graphics system is less mature than Nvidia,and the latter gained in that part of the market quite a bit in the last year as more OEMs bought the Nvidia solutions.
But nooooooooooooo! He posted to the downgrading of debt by investment firms for the whole blasted company,and then forgot to put the part that even Nvidia had lower graphics card sales in the graphics card section.
But guess what,those are the same companies who have screwed over the stock market to make money. They are the same companies which have been accused of stock fiddling:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/...-accused-of-market-manipulation-in-Italy.html
I have had more Nvidia cards than AMD ones,I kept the GK104 rumour thread constantly updated. However,it is getting tiresome that there are so many thread having digs at AMD.
I don't understand what relevance there is in the GPU section,that the CPU section of AMD is having losses??
Edit!!
If people really want the actual results here they are:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6383/amd-q3-2012-earnings-157m-loss-15-of-workforce-to-be-cut
Graphics made an $18 million profit,and the other bits made losses.
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The tables turned. I'm not surprised after the Tahiti nightmare. Very seldom does a GPU manu who decides to go first have it work out well.
It was only really in the case of Fermi that hardly any one waited because the early cards weren't worth waiting for. But trying to convince an Nvidia fan to buy into an AMD card without seeing what Nvidia have was always hard, but Tahiti was just a complete flop at release.
It's amazing how much AMD have had to drop their prices while Nvidia are remaining steadfast. Good news for those who paid release prices as there's been hardly any drop.
They must have LOLed so hard when AMD released Tahiti and they clocked up cheap as chips Kepler GPUs and saw them outperform AMD's kitchen sink.
Ah well. No doubt AMD will do what they're good at (price to performance) and no doubt their drivers will always be a bit iffy. With any luck they'll stay afloat would be a shame if they went under.
It was only really in the case of Fermi that hardly any one waited because the early cards weren't worth waiting for. But trying to convince an Nvidia fan to buy into an AMD card without seeing what Nvidia have was always hard, but Tahiti was just a complete flop at release.
It's amazing how much AMD have had to drop their prices while Nvidia are remaining steadfast. Good news for those who paid release prices as there's been hardly any drop.
They must have LOLed so hard when AMD released Tahiti and they clocked up cheap as chips Kepler GPUs and saw them outperform AMD's kitchen sink.
Ah well. No doubt AMD will do what they're good at (price to performance) and no doubt their drivers will always be a bit iffy. With any luck they'll stay afloat would be a shame if they went under.
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Meh,people should read that Anandtech article in post 20. Supposedly,the HD7900 series sales have been at their highest ever,and this is why Nvidia did this:
http://www.techpowerup.com/178795/NVIDIA-Lowers-Price-of-GeForce-GTX-680.html
However,AMD is doomed so who cares??
http://www.techpowerup.com/178795/NVIDIA-Lowers-Price-of-GeForce-GTX-680.html
However,AMD is doomed so who cares??
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Oh dear, this post will now make this thread head downhill. Mentioning iffy AMD drivers these days will just land you in a debate that never stops.
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Oh dear, this post will now make this thread head downhill. Mentioning iffy AMD drivers these days will just land you in a debate that never stops.
He bought an HD7900 series card and had a problem IIRC with ZeroCore,so all AMD cards probably have an issue.
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I had problems with my 7870 but it was fixed in later drivers. Took quite a few months though. It wouldn't stop me going AMD again though.
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Oh dear, this post will now make this thread head downhill. Mentioning iffy AMD drivers these days will just land you in a debate that never stops.
I'm not starting anything I'm just stating how things are. If the OP doesn't make you realise that then there isn't much I can do really.
If AMD were perfect Nvidia would have gone bankrupt taking so long to get Kepler out. The mere fact they are reporting record sales and profits merely confirms what I said.
Why can't any one sit down and have an honest and truthful conversation like an adult ?
I was banned recently for being childish. Oddly enough I wasn't being childish at all I was having a reasoned discussion about something that is perfectly true.
If you have another reason or logic for Nvidia's recent streak of good fortune then I am all ears. But what I said holds true.
Remember Nvidia saying "Wow Tahiti is underwhelming" ? were they being childish, or, just stating fact?
I wasn't disagreeing with you Andy I was just warning you that as soon as you mention these things people will jump on it and it spirals out of control. It happened with me in the metro thread discussing physx. Both companies have their issues, and on the topic of this thread someone already stated that most of the profits came from tesla and not their gaming GPU's.
Then maybe people need to take a deep breath, count to ten and just actually see things for how they are.
Stuff in the OP isn't just made up for the fun of it. Fact - at launch a 7970 cost £439 (I should know I bought one).They can now be had for £260 with about a hundred free games. Surely AMD must be hurting due to that?
Kepler cards have pretty much held their prices since launch. I paid £314 for a 670 Jetstream at launch and they are £299 now. Hardly even a notable reduction tbh.
Personally I am a huge fan of AMD. Not of their GPUs (but they they aren't really strictly AMD) more so of their cheap and cheerful CPUs that always offered cracking performance to the pound. Mind you, so do their GPUs now (emphasis on now and certainly not on release).
I'm quite shocked that their recent drivers (the ones that make Tahiti almost do what it should) hasn't driven down Nvidia pricing but then tbh Nvidia always were arrogant sods.
I do disagree with your above post however, you're not a fan of their GPU's even though they have been proven to perform better than nvidia's current gen, but you're a fan of their CPU's that are a mile behind Intel. In fact the only time I think AMD ever beat Intel was the Athlons.
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Nvidia has just reduced GTX680 pricing due to soft demand and according to Anandtech the HD7900 series has had its most sucessful month ever. However,since AMD graphics is screwed it does not matter.
I think they even are making some strides in Linux drivers too!
The Nvidia proprietary ones still seem to have the edge though.
Desktop and netbook Atom too!!
They still have some good offerings in the sub £100 market IMHO although YMMV.
I think they even are making some strides in Linux drivers too!
The Nvidia proprietary ones still seem to have the edge though.
Desktop and netbook Atom too!!
They still have some good offerings in the sub £100 market IMHO although YMMV.
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One persons definition of "better" can deviate quite drastically to someone else, it all depends on what card they own at the time
One persons definition of "better" can deviate quite drastically to someone else, it all depends on what card they own at the time
This really. I think we've all suffered from a slight bias towards the brand we own at the current time unless we've suffered a horrendous experience.
well ill be honest ive yet to own an nvidia card but ati/amd havnt let me down since my x1950 pro,still have that card and it works just fine
whatever you say you cant knock amd's value for money esp with the recently added game bundles
if nvidia have made record profits im pretty sure amd cards have topped that
whatever you say you cant knock amd's value for money esp with the recently added game bundles
if nvidia have made record profits im pretty sure amd cards have topped that
I'm not surprised at all, in regards to desktop gpu's, Nvidia is making a killing on selling slower products at higher prices than the competition, Nvidia the winners, their customers the losers.
Just wait until the new consoles come out, I think that's more alarming than AMD-Nvidia bickering-the damage they are going to do to high end gpu sales.
Coincidence I think not that apart from Titan, there are no other new high end gpu's on the horizon.
None, just using PR and the folks firmly in their pockets to their advantage at the time, looking back where does that leave Nvidias 6 series?
Look what's happened to the 7 series sales since AMD got a hold of one of Nvidia's best PR guru's- coincidence number two.
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Just wait until the new consoles come out, I think that's more alarming than AMD-Nvidia bickering-the damage they are going to do to high end gpu sales.
Coincidence I think not that apart from Titan, there are no other new high end gpu's on the horizon.
None, just using PR and the folks firmly in their pockets to their advantage at the time, looking back where does that leave Nvidias 6 series?
Look what's happened to the 7 series sales since AMD got a hold of one of Nvidia's best PR guru's- coincidence number two.
One persons definition of "better" can deviate quite drastically to someone else, it all depends on what card they own at the time
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AMD were competing at the top end and winning by a mile. However, every CPU was being sold at a loss and in the end they could not continue. (FX series)
I have never ever owned a top end CPU and never will. Sure they're bloody amazing but they cost amazing money. Then you need an amazing board (as top end CPUs don't have a cheap option) and it all spirals out of control.
Until my I7 950 that I bought just before Sandy I had been with AMD for years and years. It's only Sandy that put AMD down once and for all.
I had numerous Phenom and Phenom 2 CPUs and they were great value.
I don't dislike AMD at all. They've clearly won in the APU sector running rings around Intel and that's why every future console will no doubt use an APU of theirs in some shape or form.
AMD's drivers for GPUs (well, ATI's) peaked for me when they used to make their Fire GL cards. I had a Radeon 9200 Pro and it absolutely battered the Nvidia counterpart and then some. It also had excellent drivers, though that was because they were still competing in the business sector.
The Radeon 9700 and 9800 pro cards were legends in the annals of computer history. The 5 series Radeons were also the dog's danglies..
Titan will give you an idea of just how bad Tahiti is. It's the kitchen sinker, and no doubt from what I've heard it will have performance to match.
AMD are really getting good on pricing which tbh I don't know if i like or hate (I kinda feel like they took the pee out of me at launch now !).
Any way, I would imagine we can all agree that the world would definitely be worse off without them. If you think GPU prices are bad now I shudder to think what would happen if they went out of the business.
Mind you at least we would see proper utlisation and optimisation !
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No,its more a case you had an issue with your HD7970,and hence all AMD cards will have a problem. Its called flip-flop. You did it when you had your HD7970 too.
The approximate die size of the GK110 is estimated at around 520MM2 to 550MM2. This makes it between 77% to 87% larger than a GK104 and 33% to 41% larger than Tahiti.
It is also a second generation Kepler part as the GK100 was cancelled.
Plus it has twice the VRAM of the HD7970 too.
So,a second generation Kepler part with a massive die launched in February 2013,and with more VRAM, is faster than an older generation GCN card launched in December 2011 with a smaller die. Wow! That is amazing!
I make the prediction that the second generation GCN based GPU, in the HD8970/HD9970 is going to be faster than the HD7970 and GTX680!! You read it here first!!
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Was well before the fx series, phenom and phenom 2 weren't as qood as intels equivalents.