Nvidia sees record profits, serious growth

[coupe69]

I just go for higher priced stuff to show off *

Says the poster with a GIGABYTE WINDFORCE 3X GTX 680 in his sig

* Fixed

 

[Suarez7]

Says the poster with a GIGABYTE WINDFORCE 3X GTX 680 in his sig

* Fixed

Hardly, I bought this 2nd hand for £300 and way after release. You can't show off a GPU nearly a year old now.

 

[ALXAndy]

Marketing and Halo effects help a lot.

Yup. Us humans love a bit of brain washing. We also like to gloat. That's how they work their magic by giving us something to gloat about, to brag about.

And Nvidia sure do know how to brag. Sadly for AMD every time they brag they end up looking silly. I still remember their dual core CPU video.. God, some one in PR would have been suicidal when the Core 2 Duo came along.

Then there was Verdetrol. Nvidia rightly respond with underwhelming and made AMD's videos and marketing look rather daft.

I think if AMD could pull off a few propaganda wars instead of failing they would have a bigger audience tbh. We all love spending our money and showing off, but when you spend your money and end up with egg on your face the bad taste tends to last.

 

[Suarez7]

Its not that though. One is halo effect and you can see it with things like cameras,cars,etc. There are people who will buy the cheapest Mercedes even if it is worse than a cheaper Skoda?? Why?? Its got a Mercedes badge on it.

Secondly,marketing?? Putting their name on big titles for example is one aspect. The other is their use in commerical computing.

However,you should really should read up on the Nvidia Focus Group and their astroturfing which Nvidia uses(or used),to spread crap about competitors.

The whole AMD cards are unreliable and have useless drivers which people tend to sprout. OTH,where is all the noise about Nvidia having to spend $200 milliion on the bumps debacle?? I knew loads of people whose laptops died because fo that?? What about things like the driver update which borked cooling on Nvidia cards,etc.

Marketing and Halo effects help a lot.

So the reason everyone who owns a nvidia 6 series card on these forums and elsewhere is because of halo and marketing effects?

 

[coupe69]

Hardly, I bought this 2nd hand for £300 and way after release. You can't show off a GPU nearly a year old now.

It's Nvidia's flagship single GPU card, so still well worthy of a quick boast

 

[Suarez7]

It's Nvidia's flagship single GPU card, so still well worthy of a quick boast

I wish, I could well be swapping for a 7970 + cash.

 

[ALXAndy]

So the reason everyone who owns a nvidia 6 series card on these forums and elsewhere is because of halo and marketing effects?

Yes. And so they can brag.

 

[Suarez7]

Yes. And so they can brag.

Well if that's the case it's a pretty bold statement to make about all nvidia 6 series owner. How can they brag when AMD cards beat them?

 

[coupe69]

I wish, I could well be swapping for a 7970 + cash.

Are you that desperate for cash?

Should we stage a special "SAVE ACEOWNERS GTX 680!!" charity event?

 

[ALXAndy]

Well if that's the case it's a pretty bold statement to make about all nvidia 6 series owner. How can they brag when AMD cards beat them?

Because when they bought their cards AMD weren't even close. It took AMD a year to finally pull ahead.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

So what you're saying is if you can't afford an I7 you shouldn't buy anything because it's not as good?

No that's not what my point is at all. If you can't afford something you go for the best you can get at the time. The thing is a lot of people can afford the better performance and will go for it. If price/performance was the only factor nobody would be buying 6 series nvidia cards.

Its not that though. One is halo effect and you can see it with things like cameras,cars,etc. There are people who will buy the cheapest Mercedes even if it is worse than a cheaper Skoda?? Why?? Its got a Mercedes badge on it.

Secondly,marketing?? Putting their name on big titles for example is one aspect. The other is their use in commerical computing.

However,you should really should read up on the Nvidia Focus Group and their astroturfing which Nvidia uses(or used),to spread crap about competitors.

The whole AMD cards are unreliable and have useless drivers which people tend to sprout. OTH,where is all the noise about Nvidia having to spend $200 milliion on the bumps debacle?? I knew loads of people whose laptops died because fo that?? What about things like the driver update which borked cooling on Nvidia cards,etc.

Marketing and Halo effects help a lot.

So the reason everyone who owns a nvidia 6 series card on these forums and elsewhere is because of halo and marketing effects?

Don't try that one on me. I updated the GK104 rumour thread for ages and have helped hundreds of people with builds on forums. I have had over 20 cards since 2004 with slightly more Nvidia ones.

Stop,trying to switch the subject by altering the question you asked.

If performance was the only factor,then considering AMD has the fastest two cards out ATM,shouldn't that mean MASSIVE SALES.

How about the low and mid end??

HD7750 and HD7770 against the GT640 and GTX650.

HD7850 1GB against the GTX650TI.

HD7850 2GB,HD7870,HD7870XT against GTX660.

All better performers AFAIK.

So not performance then for GPUs.

You say not price/performance.

Then what??

You asked the question I gave you the answer. You don't believe me??

Look at Apple??

The world is not only a forum.

 

[Suarez7]

Don't try that one on me. I updated the GK104 rumour thread for ages and have helped hundreds of people with builds on forums. I have had over 20 cards since 2004 with slightly more Nvidia ones.

Stop,trying to switch the subject by altering the question you asked.

You asked the question I gave you the answer. You don't believe me??

Look at Apple??

The world is not only a forum.

If you'd read through the thread you'd see I'd already mentioned apple.

 

[Suarez7]

Because when they bought their cards AMD weren't even close. It took AMD a year to finally pull ahead.

Exactly nvidia were ahead on release, but no all these AMD owners knew that in the future their cards would outperform nvidias. It's nonsense saying it's marketing or halo effect when a lot of people bought their 6 series cards when they outperformed AMD's and were similarly priced on release.

 

[ALXAndy]

So again Tahiti is a "stinker" because the GK110 which is a huge die,second generation product with loads of VRAM is faster??

Was the GK100 a "stinker" since Tahiti made it and the former did not??

So is the GK104 a "stinker" if the GK114 is faster then??

Was the GF110 a "stinker" since the GK104 was faster??

Was the G92 a "stinker" compared to the G80 since the latter had less declared transistors,was older older and still was faster??

I missed that one mush sorry..

Tahiti was a stinker because, well, it was a stinker. For ages the 7970 was being laughed at by a 670. It took AMD nearly a year to finally get it doing what it should and tbh god only knows if it's even half way there.

That's why I think it was a stinker. What I had been reading was spot on. It was a bit of a Fermi.

Still, was is past tense as obviously it now performs where it needs to.

 

[ALXAndy]

Exactly nvidia were ahead on release, but no all these AMD owners knew that in the future their cards would outperform nvidias. It's nonsense saying it's marketing or halo effect when a lot of people bought their 6 series cards when they outperformed AMD's and were similarly priced on release.

Most people waited for Nvidia to release because they wouldn't even take a pee without Nvidia's say so.

THAT is how strong their influence is. See also - Apple. See also - Intel.

Certain companies have the money to really get stuck into propaganda and some are just lucky. Nvidia got lucky with Kepler. Either that or AMD got very unlucky with Tahiti.

A year is too long for them to make it do what it should have done at launch. They also didn't clock it high enough. They made some absolute howling mistakes - Nvidia has a record year for sales. Coincidence?

Now they are paying the price by having to sell 7970s (even though they are the world's fastest GPU) for £260 with at least eight games (at last count) thrown in free.

Sure, us lot who post on here and read here may know that the 7970 is now faster than a 680 but how many do you think waited? lol, they saw the 680 come along and batter the 7970 (at the most important time of course, launch) and made their decision.

AMD are just mopping up all of the sloppy seconds with cheap cards. Fair play, the 7970 is a really great bargain but it's a bit late..

AMD release the 7970.

Nvidia fans (and any one about to make an investment) wait for Kepler. It's faster, they buy one.

And that's about it I'm afraid. Doesn't matter how good the 7970 is now it's a bit late.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

If you'd read through the thread you'd see I'd already mentioned apple.

Well,you have not even bothered to read what I say and then complain at me when I mention halo advertising.

Do you even know about the Nvidia Focus Group??

They were a group of people who posted on forums.

They acted like concerned consumers/enthusiasts and always tried to put competitors(AMD,VIA,Intel) in a negative light.

However,for some reason they were exposed.

You know what was happening?? Nvidia was giving them free hardware.

So,in the end many forums forced them to disclose in their sigs,ie,that they are part of the Nvidia Focus Group and got free hardware for testing.

Yet,a number of these went on about how crap the competition to the point,a number were banned. One of them was a chap called Rollo,who was banned from forums.

Exactly nvidia were ahead on release, but no all these AMD owners knew that in the future their cards would outperform nvidias. It's nonsense saying it's marketing or halo effect when a lot of people bought their 6 series cards when they outperformed AMD's and were similarly priced on release.

So how come low end Nvidia cards outsell the much faster AMD ones?? This has been the case for years.

Do you even have a clue about lower end cards under £150 say in the last 7 years??

The HD7970 beat the GTX580 and the HD5870 and HD5850 beat the GTX285. So how come Nvidia sales did not crash??

If don't understand the effect of Halo marketing then you need to go outside the world and have a look.

All you do is cherry pick what you want to read and then try to twist things your way. Its not going to work with me.

Half our stupid issues would not be here if that was the case.

 

[Suarez7]

Well,you have not even bothered to read what I say and then complain at me when I mention halo advertising.

Do you even know about the Nvidia Focus Group??

They were a group of people who posted on forums.

They acted like concerned consumers/enthusiasts and always tried to put competitors(AMD,VIA,Intel) in a negative light.

However,for some reason they were exposed.

You know what was happening?? Nvidia was giving them free hardware.

So,in the end many forums forced them to disclose in their sigs,ie,that they are part of the Nvidia Focus Group and got free hardware for testing.

Yet,a number of these went on about how crap the competition to the point,a number were banned. One of them was a chap called Rollo,who was banned from forums.



So how come low end Nvidia cards outsell the much faster AMD ones?? This has been the case for years.

If don't understand the effect of Halo marketing then you need to go outside the world and have a look.

All you do is cherry pick what you want to read and then try to twist things your way. Its not going to work with me.

Half our stupid issues would not be here if that was the case.

I understand halo marketing fine but to suggest it's the main reason nvidia is doing better than AMD isn't fair in my opinion. I don't believe that focus group thing at all either, and even so it would have very little effect as you said forums are only a small part of the real world.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

I understand halo marketing fine but to suggest it's the main reason nvidia is doing better than AMD isn't fair in my opinion.

So AMD has times when they have the fastest cards(HD5870 and HD7970),great price/performance,massive game bundles and yet they get outsold by Nvidia??

This has been the case for the last 6 years at least.

People were complaining the HD7900 series was overpriced despite the fact Nvidia refused to drop the price of THEIR cards. So only AMD has to underprice their cards even with a performance advantage. The GTX580 was still sellling well even at well over £300.

Nvidia does not and nobody complains.

What the same Nvidia which had the bumps issues which cost them $200 million,and had whole laptop lines affected.

What about the Nvidia related driver problems like ones which borked cards,or even the stuttering issues that were related widely on their on forums.

The Fermi series which had very poor power consumption unlike the AMD alternatives.

Its not performance then. Not price/performance.Not even reliable hardware. Not drivers then. Not power consumption.

Is it because people "trust" Nvidia more than AMD?? Why?? Halo marketing?? PR??

I don't believe that focus group thing at all either, and even so it would have very little effect as you said forums are only a small part of the real world.

Don't believe?? WTF?? The Nvidia Focus Group is famous on computer forums everywheres. Rollo was infamous and YES they had to put in their sigs.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

BTW,here is some info about the Nvidia Focus Group:
http://consumerist.com/2006/02/08/nvidia-focus-group-member-details-hidden-program/

So,yes they use astroturfers.

 

[Suarez7]

So AMD has times when they have the fastest cards(HD5870 and HD7970),great price/performance,massive game bundles and yet they get outsold by Nvidia??

What the same Nvidia which had the bumps issues which cost them $200 million,and had whole laptop lines affected.

What about the Nvidia related driver problems like ones which borked cards,or even the stuttering issues that were related widely on their on forums.

The Fermi series which had very poor power consumption unlike the AMD alternatives.

Its not performance then. Not price/performance.Not even reliable hardware. Not drivers then. Not power consumption.

Is it because people "trust" Nvidia more than AMD?? Why?? Halo marketing?? PR??
.

Don't believe?? WTF?? The Nvidia Focus Group is famous on computer forums everywheres. Rollo was infamous and YES they had to put in their sigs.

You're making it out like AMD/ATI have never had problems themselves here. For years ATI/AMD were plagued with driver problems and it did push a lot of people to team green. Trying to win them back is far from easy no matter how many game bundles AMD stick on their cards. Even recently the 7 series had issue for months for certain users and this sent people to the green side as well. Neither company is perfect that's for sure. Anyways I'm tired and can't think straight. Oh and that focus group thing being famous, sorry but I've never heard of it and I've been following graphics cards sections on forums for many years. I bet I'm not the only one not to of heard of it either