Holiday Entitlement - Opinion on this situation

OP, to remain competitive you should consider increasing your holiday allowance.

I get 25 + 6 Fridays + bank hols, which I thought was roughly the norm for skilled employment.
 
I think having a good worker is generally invaluable and you should definitely push the boat out to keep them.

However, if it will upset and potentially make other good workers less productive then maybe sometimes you have to let them go. You can't always compete with certain factors.

As for my holidays, in my first year I got 22 days and after 1 year went up to 25 and after 10 years it goes to 30 and stays there. Also get bank holidays and privilege days. I can save or bank about 10 unused days over per year. I also have flexi-time which means I can generally get a lot of days off although I still do the hours.

This is in IT though and comparatively the leading tech companies have crazy terms and conditions now, Silicon Valley like Google and Facebook don't even check leave (apparently) - you take holidays when you want etc.
 
LordSplodge said:
"Guys, we really value what you contribute to the company and thanks for making us profits but we are only giving you holidays we are legally entitled to give, oh and be glad you have a job."

Charming. I bet you and your dad get more than the minimum legal allowance.

How easy is it to actually book holidays at your place? Some of my friends don't use all their leave because their place of work makes it nigh on impossible to actually book leave.
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Would it surprise you that as I am trying to expand the business I have had around 10 days off since Christmas 2011 and one day off sick..My dad has had a few more than me..

They can take it off whenever they want as long as they are the only one off at that time as we are only a small team
 
I earn the company enough money in one day to pay my weeks wage in one go yet I still only get basic entitlement. (not that I use it mind as I usually disappear for shorter breaks over weekends and bank holidays instead of festering on your typical package holiday during the most expensive couple of weeks in the year, packed onto a beach like sardines in a can... ooh I've gone off on a tangent there. :D
 
MaX_PoWah said:
Would it surprise you that as I am trying to expand the business I have had around 10 days off since Christmas 2011 and one day off sick..My dad has had a few more than me..
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No, but it's your Dads business - therefore its completely different. You have a vested personal interest in its success - it is more to you than just a job and this is reflected in the hours you are prepared to put in. Your reward at the end is vastly different from that of your employers, who have no equity in the company.
 
20 days is sod all in the UK, though the other guy who left sounds like a bit of a div as he'll actually be worker harder with the new lot than he did with you. There must have been another reason for leaving.

I would guess that the reason some guys don't take their full entitlement is a culture that has been built up in the company where the staff think that if they take all of their leave then they may be seen as lazy. Happens a lot in US/Canada where not taking all your leave shows that you are a "company man" and a guy who can be depended on. Are you unwittingly guilt tripping these guys into not taking it? Are they guilt tripping each other?

Work-life balance is important, maybe your guys don't feel they have much, hence they are leaving, yet the others are too nervous/young/naive/lazy to do anything about it?

You have already said that they bring in much more than they cost, yet you are losing good people even though you are busy. Sounds like a no brainer to me - improve benefits and working conditions.

EDIT: Forgot to mention I get 25+BH standard with the option to buy up to 15 days extra or sell up to 5 each year, pro-rata'd, starting at the beginning of each financial year - It's a great benefit really as I can buy extra leave for my wedding this year or if I want to take a longer holiday etc. The bought leave is taken out of my salary pro-rata and before tax in 11 monthly installments in the year. This is in a very large engineering consultancy.

Maybe read this?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2946134.stm
 
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MaX_PoWah said:
no the statutory entitlement doesn't change by working saturdays, i would guess because the actual hours people do on a saturday are so wooly
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It should if its included in their regular hours, how many hours a week do they work?

Also 20 days? Extremely harsh, suprised yer not losing more staff if there's another company headhunting yer staff.
 
Fuzz said:
(not that I use it mind as I usually disappear for shorter breaks over weekends and bank holidays instead of festering on your typical package holiday during the most expensive couple of weeks in the year, packed onto a beach like sardines in a can... ooh I've gone off on a tangent there. :D
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You seriously lack any imagination if thats all you can come up with for a holiday. A holiday can be anything you want, not just sitting on a beach although for some it is a fantastic way to unwind.
 
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Whats all this 20 days + bank holidays? :p

I get 22 days holiday and work bank holidays if I am due in (work 4 on 4 off) including xmas day.

But if I was in the position as the guy, I would have probably stayed after seeing how much you was willing to do to keep me. But maybe ask for a slight increase in wage instead of the extra holidays.

*EDIT* No wait I also have to cover 22 days overtime (To cover other people's holidays) so I get 0 + 0 bank holidays :p
 
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Neodite said:
I get 22 days holiday and work bank holidays if I am due in (work 4 on 4 off) including xmas day.
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To be picky you should get 4 x 5.6 = 22.4 days off as a minimum legal requirement. ;)

Meatloaf said:
I thought by law you had to have 5.6 weeks? So if you work 6 days its 5.6 x 6 so 34 days holiday?
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Actually no, working 6 days a week doesn't work like that, as the maximum statutory holiday entitlement is capped at 28 days.
 
I currently get 22 days + BH.

Used to get 27 days + BH in my old job, I really miss those extra 5 days off a year.
 
I get 33+BH which I think is amazing. My previous employer offered 25+BH standard, and then 28+BH after 3 years - which is still a decent amount.

If you have skilled employees that you want to keep hold of, giving them an extra week off every year seems like a pretty easy decision to be honest.
 
ive never worked anywhere that has given less than 25 + BH.

currently on 25 but this increases to 28 at the end of the year due to being with the company 5 years. (8:30-5 Mon-Fri)

To the OP.

I think 25 days + BH would be a reasonable counter offer especially as it a 6 day working week.

if he's a good employee and worth keeping then its worth negotiation.

Maybe better pay than he was offered as you dont give the same holiday entitlement.
 
We get a default of 25 + bank holidays (IT industry) and you get an extra day on your base every 5 years, (so if you've been here 15 years you get 28 + bank holidays).

We also have an option out of our flexible benefits to purchase up to 10 days extra or sell up to 5 days. The coat of this is calculated to a monthly figure and taken out of your paycheck pre-tax.
 
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