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PS4 to use the 7970M GPU. What does this hold for PC gamers?

pgi947 said:
How does this appeal:

X86-64, so possibly easier to 'hack' with an aim to linux support (something that was official on the ps3 with ydl). Linux now has full steam support, linux based pc gaming on a ps3?
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Open Linux support will never be allowed again on a console such as happened with PS3 - the copyright holders would revoke the blu-ray license, if there was any doubt that the machine could be made insecure, as happened with the PS3. Unlikely to see Steam either, given that they are looking at their own hardware solutions.



Even though the PS4 will be x86 - I wouldn't count on it being any easier to hack than the PS3.

You can be sure that they have learnt some very important lessons with the PS3, and to my knowledge there have been no further hacks on more recent firmwares, the hackers are still stuck with an old firmware on old consoles.
 
spoffle said:
It'll be much greater, relative to the system.

Look at the graphics the PS3 and 360 can do compared to the GPUs they've got. It's far far greater than you'd really expect from, say, a GPU that has less raw power than an X1900 or nVidia 7900.

You also can't really compare how PC releases will run because while it uses
the same hardware, the software layers will be completely different.

For example, the 360 uses an AMD GPU in it, it has no bearing really.



Direct X is meaningless when talking about anything that isn't Windows really.

DX 11 doesn't mean good graphics, it's just an API that defines certain functionality of GPUs if they want to be compliant in the spec. So outside of that, it doesn't really mean anything.

On consoles, they have direct access to the hardware, which makes things like Direct X quite obsolete anyway.

The features will be defined by what the GPU can do, and I think most people in this section are massively underestimating what they will get out of the PS4, because they can't stop comparing the hardware like for like, to Windows based computers.
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a x1900 can run console ports at the same settings. (720p, 20-30fps no aa) check youtube plenty of videos. There is no hidden magic inside consoles.
 
spoffle said:
It'll be much greater, relative to the system.

Look at the graphics the PS3 and 360 can do compared to the GPUs they've got. It's far far greater than you'd really expect from, say, a GPU that has less raw power than an X1900 or nVidia 7900.

You also can't really compare how PC releases will run because while it uses
the same hardware, the software layers will be completely different.

For example, the 360 uses an AMD GPU in it, it has no bearing really.



Direct X is meaningless when talking about anything that isn't Windows really.

DX 11 doesn't mean good graphics, it's just an API that defines certain functionality of GPUs if they want to be compliant in the spec. So outside of that, it doesn't really mean anything.

On consoles, they have direct access to the hardware, which makes things like Direct X quite obsolete anyway.

The features will be defined by what the GPU can do, and I think most people in this section are massively underestimating what they will get out of the PS4, because they can't stop comparing the hardware like for like, to Windows based computers.
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Its not actually :) its an IBM power PC 970 chip (Xenon) al lot of misconception about that, somehow people speculating "its equivalent to an Athlon x3" turned into "its an Athlon x3" currently AMD have no CPU's in any GC.

AMD in the PS4 and new xBox will not boost AMD in their GPU and CPU performance much, on its own.

what will is them working with game developers, which they are now doing.
Whats more is game developers will be very receptive to that given the situation of AMD being in everything.

AMD's revenue intake could also double from this, its not just IP that they are selling for $10 a chip that Sony would make themselves.
The CPU is made by AMD and sold as a unit to Sony for a lot more than a token amount.
I don't know if the GPU will be licenced as a per unit IP based contract, or again manufactured and sold per unit to Sony.

Either way, with the new xBox, PS4, Wii u, i think Steam Box, and a couple of others.... that all mounts up to a lot of IP revenue, some of it will be physical unit sales which will again amount to a lot of income.

Thats all extra R&D, on top of the optimisations this will bring, even Intel could soon find AMD screaming up behind them snapping at heels on the CPU side.
 
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Rossi~ said:
That's why i have a PC for FPS/RPG genre and a PS3 for Racing/RPG/JRPG/Horror action etc :)
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I have always liked Grand Turismo, a lot, ever since the first one back in the 90's.

But, that game is the only reason for me to have any Game Console.
 
Maybe this is why the 7 series is clinging on?

When the PS3 was launched, was its 7900GTX as good, relatively, as the 79xx iis today in the PS4?or was it already out of date by then? The 8800/4800 was a big leap over the 7900/3870, so maybe this will happen again!

If the Xbox720 really is using a 6670 of some sort it will quite a big difference to the PS4...

And I thought the PS4 used an APU of some kind? That would be good in a small media pc next to my TV?
 
almoststew1990 said:
And I thought the PS4 used an APU of some kind? That would be good in a small media pc next to my TV?
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It is using an APU.
It's not using separate processors, it's using a custom 8-Core Jaguar APU using the current series of AMD Radeon tech on the iGPU side. That's why all this talk is near pointless.
 
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