Poundland Girl Wins Forced Labour Ruling

Having just been finished at work this week on ill health grounds, I'm starting to dread what might be in front of me. What little experience I have already had has opened my eyes and changed my views 180degs on the benefit system.
 
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The forcing sick people to work has been around as early as 2010.

My dad got diagnosed with lung cancer in 2009 and left work and registered disabled. Early 2010 while he was undergoing his first batch of chemo he had a phone call from DWP telling him he has to attend some getting back to work scheme.

He died in 2011 from the cancer. If the chemo worked then it still wouldn't have changed much, other then how debilitating cancer and chemo is, he also had polycystic kidneys which the radiotherapy nuked, and that leads to other disabling health issues.
 
1 thing though that he really should have bought up and challenged him on is the "Mandatory" business. IDS said in this interview it's voluntary "work experience", except that it sort of isn't, we are told it's mandatory and if we don't do it we lose our benefit. Someone needs to put this to IDS so we can hear his explanation on why this was happening, why were we being lied to.
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If you'd have listened, and I really mean listened you would have comprehended why (from the interview).
 
I thought the interviewer was rude and shouldn't really be arguing with IDS, the girl ended up using the experience she gained to get a full time jerb. So IDS has a point and the interviewer was just trying to be clever but sounded like a tool
 
Dolph said:
It also shouldn't be a shock that the value of labour is determined by the value you add to the business and the cost of replacing you...
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Except that is not always the case. Also value can not be attributed fairly without resorting to overly positivist means therefore removing many of things we do value as humans which by their very nature are entirely unquantifiable but of great benefit.
 
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yes because everyone would enjoy to drop wages back to 1990 levels or lower just because they can and there would be people willing (or being forced to) work for £2 an hour.

i dont know your position dolph but im sure you wouldnt be saying the same things if your job was one that could be dropped to such levels.
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That's what is subsidizing the current (decreasing) standard of living... people doing just that. Except you can't see it because they are all in China and Africa. The piper will have to be paid one day.
 
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just waiting to hear ids and dwp's official response to this, i bet its along the lines of its working, and just needs more time to show its working, much like what they said 3 months ago.
 
heh must have missed that when i first read it. maybe i should try that the next time i sign on, not fill out the forms and say its early days and that they cant cut my jsa as its only off 2 weeks worth of figures :P

just done some quick maths and if they have spent £3 billion on the work program, they could have paid 200k people £15k for 12 months to litter pick or something and have had a great effect than the work program.
 
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GAC said:
who knew the work program wasnt working.

:p:p:p

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-21532191
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Whether it's working or not depends on what is treated as the goal.

If the goal is taken as the obviously ridiculous lie that its purpose is to help people get jobs, then of course it isn't working. Nobody in their right mind would expect it to. It's not designed to do so.

If the goal is taken as using public money to provide some private businesses with extra profit from being able to use indentured servants instead of paid workers, then it's working.

I don't know why the government chose that goal, since it would have been cheaper overall to simply give public money to the companies as a present, but the alternative is that they are deluded and incompetent enough to believe their own silly propaganda about the indentured servitude scheme. If they wanted to fix the unemployment figures by counting people on the mandatory work scheme as employed even though they aren't, they could have just given the money to private businesses as a present and lied about people being employed by them. That would have been less harmful to society and no more dishonest.
 
the bbc had some guy from an association of all the companies who provide the work program, and he says "yes the figures your using are wrong, our own figures show its a great success"

im guessing all of these people have been to the ids/dwp school of lying through your teeth.
 
GAC said:
the bbc had some guy from an association of all the companies who provide the work program, and he says "yes the figures your using are wrong, our own figures show its a great success"

im guessing all of these people have been to the ids/dwp school of lying through your teeth.
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They've got to keep the gravy train going somehow.

Cameron's "Back to work tsar" (now sacked to distance himself) made similar claims back in October before the official DWP figures were released, the catastrophic predictions which she claimed were wrong were not only right but even worse than predicted. Still, it's surprising how pretending you are being bullied can close a factual debate down.
 
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Yeah the providers think it's wonderful..

"Providers can earn between £3,700 and £13,700 per person helped into work, depending how hard it is to give support to an individual, with an initial payment of between £400 and £600."

What it's really all about..

"Work and Pensions Secretary Iain Duncan Smith defended the scheme, telling the BBC: "Over 50% of those who have been sent there [on schemes] have been taken off benefits. Of the 800,000 who have gone through, over 200,000 are within work."
50% of people are off the benefits list. IE the figures are being fiddled, no wonder the bean counters can't understand why unemployment is falling, yet output is still stagnant..
 
Part time workers beware...

http://johnnyvoid.wordpress.com/2012/11/11/give-up-work-workfare-new-dwp-guidelines/

What has not been publicly announced is that the DWP expects some part time workers to also be sentenced to the scheme. When Universal Credit is introduced, allegedly next year, part time workers will be expected to constantly look for more work or better paid work in order to receive in work benefits such as Child Tax Credits and Housing Benefits.

Join the fight now and support Boycott Workfare.
 
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Yeah the providers think it's wonderful..

"Providers can earn between £3,700 and £13,700 per person helped into work, depending how hard it is to give support to an individual, with an initial payment of between £400 and £600."

What it's really all about..

"Work and Pensions Secretary Iain Duncan Smith defended the scheme, telling the BBC: "Over 50% of those who have been sent there [on schemes] have been taken off benefits. Of the 800,000 who have gone through, over 200,000 are within work."
50% of people are off the benefits list. IE the figures are being fiddled, no wonder the bean counters can't understand why unemployment is falling, yet output is still stagnant..
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Yeah workfare is disgusting tbh

I know people being unemployed is a problem too, but the profit hungry companies are sickening. I saw the Ingeus for a while and I used to walk in laughing at all the back to work propaganda and "we're here to help!" posters. Cracked me up when you just know they're all greasy money grubbers with their fingers in the pot.
 
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