Are next gen highend GPU's going be priced like the Titan ??

[chaparral]

Is the new GTX Titan trying to set the price for the next gen highend GPU's or is it just a special one off stupid high priced card ??

 

[Jokester]

No, it's unlikely as the pricing of Titan doesn't really fit in with anything other than it being extremely niche, small volume product.

 

[hyperst]

I think they would go bankrupt at them prices

 

[chaparral]

I think they would go bankrupt at them prices

The topend GPU cards seem to be going up real big time each year

The GTX 690 was priced at £900 at release
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18399630&highlight=gtx+680+release

The MSI GTX 590 was priced at £615 at release...
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18256082&highlight=gtx+590+release

That was a £285 jump in price from one gen to the next gen...

 

[Jokester]

The topend GPU cards seem to be going up real big time each year

I've been wondering about this recently, I remember paying £400 for a top end GPU in late 2003. I wonder what that equates to these days in real terms allowing for inflation and exchange rate changes?

 

[Ghøst]

I've been wondering about this recently, I remember paying £400 for a top end GPU in late 2003. I wonder what that equates to these days in real terms allowing for inflation and exchange rate changes?

Dunno but it sure as hell isn't eight hundred and forty quid.

 

[chaparral]

I've been wondering about this recently, I remember paying £400 for a top end GPU in late 2003. I wonder what that equates to these days in real terms allowing for inflation and exchange rate changes?

I know what you mean..

But it just feels far far worst because most other PC Components are far cheaper now then back then..

 

[Jokester]

I know what you mean..

But it just feels far worst because most other PC Components are far cheaper now then back then..

Yeah that's the other thing I noticed, GPUs seem to be the only thing that have substantially increased in price, with the odd exception (AMD 1GHzT-birds were £1k on release).

 

[arc@css]

Maybe a little short sighted on my part, but as long as I can step up to the next tier of performance for the prices that I've been paying since I started pc gaming (which I still can), then I'm not too worried. It's probably worse for those that want to benchmark and stay up to date with the latest and greatest.

 

[drunkenmaster]

The topend GPU cards seem to be going up real big time each year

The GTX 690 was priced at £900 at release
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18399630&highlight=gtx+680+release

The MSI GTX 590 was priced at £615 at release...
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18256082&highlight=gtx+590+release

That was a £285 jump in price from one gen to the next gen...

Worse is one of those was two high end chips from last gen that were 500mm2 each, this gen that 690 was 2 of the midrange 300mm2 chips.

Nvidia are taking the pee, and reviewers are paid for their results.

I mean if you look at Anandtech now, you've got a Titan 50% faster than a 680gtx in several situations, while only being 10-15% ahead of a 7970 in the same benchmark.

People have been happily paying around £500 for Nvidia's midrange card, while AMD's high end card has been cheaper and noticeably faster.

If AMD come out next gen and just make their 7870 high end at £400, Nvidia people would be vocal about it and I damn well hope AMD users wouldn't buy, but who knows.

As always, if people didn't buy the 680gtx, the price would have tanked, the only thing supporting these prices, is the customer, and when the customer buys whatever is thrown at them, why on earth would Nvidia or AMD drop prices?

Process tech is increasing in price but not THAT fast, a 300mm2 chip shouldn't move from 560gtx pricing one gen, to be the 580gtx pricing, because that is what happened.

Oh well, I can only hope people rebel against Nvidia pricing, use their brains, don't buy Titan, watch Nvidia drop prices then buy when they are sensible..... I absolutely do not expect this to happen, it is what SHOULD happen though and is painfully easy to do.

 

[decto]

Dual GPU cards aren't really a good comparison to the single cards of old. They usually cost more than a pair of single cards and at best they should be compared to SLI top end cards such as 2 x $600 for 7800GTX in 2005 which would equate to around £900 at today's prices.

The Titan is a bit of a one off. For whatever reason Nvidia has some spare tesla k20x dies lying around which it's turned into GPU's at a fair old price.

Top end single cards have been around £3-400 for a long time depending on where we are in the generations and strength of competition.

There will continue to be a strong market for £200 midrange and £400 high end cards which are plenty to have a great gaming experience.

If you've spent big on multi screen and >1080p expect it to stay expensive to keep the eye candy turned up.

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[DarrenM343]

590 was not the same as the 690 - 690 is two full chips nearly full speed each. Wasn't the 590 crippled in some way so price for the 690 more justified in being higher?

I remember the 8800GTX was about £365 when it first came out - not that far from the 680 price. Just done a search and it was actually listed at £409 in 2008 (according to CNET)
A 9800GX2, can't remember what price those were now.*Edit* just found it, they were about £409 in 2008 but were not based on the fastest single cards at the time 2*8800GTS rather than GTX.

And I wonder how many cards are sold these days vs say 5 or so years ago. More or less? If not so many, profit per unit probably has to be higher.

I expect the 780 to be made of more available parts (ie, not low yielding) and therefore also much cheaper while also blowing away the Titan

 

[andybird123]

Worse is one of those was two high end chips from last gen that were 500mm2 each, this gen that 690 was 2 of the midrange 300mm2 chips.

Nvidia are taking the pee, and reviewers are paid for their results.

I mean if you look at Anandtech now, you've got a Titan 50% faster than a 680gtx in several situations, while only being 10-15% ahead of a 7970 in the same benchmark.

People have been happily paying around £500 for Nvidia's midrange card, while AMD's high end card has been cheaper and noticeably faster.

they are as bad as each other - AMD stacked their 7970 release price on top of the already expensive 580 3GB price... Nvidia then released the 680 which outperformed the 7970 on release day AND undercut them on price forcing AMD to slash prices to compete and it's taken them the best part of 12 months to get their drivers in shape

by the same token, you could assume that titan drivers are immature at this point

several retailers had 20+ listed up of various brands for pre-order and are now down to single digits of the first wave left, so I don't think people are taking your advice

having said that, I certainly wouldn't expect GTX780 to be a similar price when it's released

 

[Boomstick777]

I expect the 780 to be made of more available parts (ie, not low yielding) and therefore also much cheaper while also blowing away the Titan

That is very unlikely, GTX 780 is rumored to use Kepler arch and have 1920 shaders 3GB ram.

I imagine the Titan will drop down to about £650 - £700 by the time the 7XX series arrives.. The 780 will probably cost £400 - £500..

 

[TALON1973]

I've been wondering about this recently, I remember paying £400 for a top end GPU in late 2003. I wonder what that equates to these days in real terms allowing for inflation and exchange rate changes?

i remember paying £200 for a 12mb voodoo 2 .. and that was high-end

i wouldn't wonder to much about it ... some card makers take the **** for little gain for the enthusiast .. back then you paid a good price for what was top end

 

[tommybhoy]

they are as bad as each other - AMD stacked their 7970 release price on top of the already expensive 580 3GB price... Nvidia then released the 680 which outperformed the 7970 on release day AND undercut them on price forcing AMD to slash prices to compete and it's taken them the best part of 12 months to get their drivers in shape

As they don't need to and are not 'as bad as each other', Nvidia would have matched AMD's pricing/bundles.

They are certainly not as bad as each other regarding pricing, historically, AMD are cheaper for the simple reason Nvidia are much more popular, why else would AMD consistently be BBFB?

The performance part was always one sided from the go due to autoboost, the performance has always been there for AMD, all they did with the GHz was raise stock clocks, nothing more as it was enough in June in order to at the very least match 680 performance 'out the box'.

The below review was from APRIL 2012:

[H] has reviewed the 680 v 7970 both on max oc's, should put the argument to bed now.

Here's the figures strictly for the enthusiasts(the ex overclockers who now prefer stock performance may look away now):

Full review here:

http://hardocp.com/article/2012/04/04/nvidia_kepler_geforce_gtx_680_overclocking_review/1

'The Bottom Line
One thing is certain after our overclocking, the default GPU Boost settings are not the highest frequency the GeForce GTX 680 is capable of. The GPU frequency can certainly be improved by manual overclocking. There is a bit of headroom yet to be had with this GPU. We strongly feel that it is voltage that is holding this GPU back. We look forward to custom-built GeForce GTX 680 video cards. With a custom-built PCB, custom-HSF, and all the high-efficiency hardware add-in-board partners like to use, we can't wait to see custom capabilities with the GeForce GTX 680.

Despite the not-so Earth shattering overclocking results we achieved today, the GeForce GTX 680 is still able to compete well with the Radeon HD 7970, even overclocked. The fact remains that for a less expensive price[USA review remember] the GeForce GTX 680 remains a cost saving venture for a similar experience. Overclocking will buy you 15% or so better performance on a reference design board, but if you are interested in overclocking, we suggest you look toward custom add-in-board video cards for what may truly be possible out of the GeForce GTX 680.'

There you have it, unless you absolutuley need Cuda/PhysX/Nvidia3D/Eyefinity?, then imho, buy the cheapest of the two that you can find.

Anyone who could tell the difference sitting side by side with no fps counter really must be called Steve Austin!


I thought that this very heated subject deserved it's own thread even if the review has already been posted in one of the other threads.

^
Again, APRIL 2012.

It's taken AMD ~11 months to comfortably pull ahead of the 6 series while paying the same as the lower performing equivalent from Nvidia for 8 months or so now.

As mentioned earlier by DM, reviewers get paid, so they will write what they are paid to write.

At the AMD conference last week(pre-Titan):

Roy: "I'm really glad to be back, and to able to talk to the press again. On this call I recognize some old names, and some old friends, and it's good to be back. What I wanted to say to you all was that right now, as it stands, AMD has the fastest GPUs at every point in our stack. I don't think it feels like that, and I don't think that it's been widely reported in the press. I'd like to ask you (the press) to make that clear to your readers

 

[andybird123]

you've got benchmarks from the future?

 

[tommybhoy]

Ha ha, you got me on that one mate, once, fair enough, but twice.

 

[adolf hamster]

new technology, for the gaming market, expensive

somehow i am not precisely seeing what the issue is here, they're doing what literally every company on the planet does: skinning the early adopters for every penny they have before selling it progressively cheaper until they've squeezed all the sales they can and can discontinue it.

if you want ludicrous tell me why they're still charging £3k for the tesla, or indeed the prices they want for any of the quadro range.

 

[andybird123]

it's ok anyway, you don't need to be so defensive, all I meant was that 7970 on launch day was a far higher price than it dropped to not all that long afterwards, and drivers have improved a lot since even April 2012 as well... tahiti is a big chip compared to kepler so it didn't make much sense that 680's were able to keep up or even beat 7970's in some games and AMD have had to do a lot to fight back, it's taken the best part of year to really get the most it's capable of out of it

by starting with a high price and then dropping to a much lower price, you get a sense for how AMD were trying to milk the most from their performance advantage while they had it initially, and how easy it was to shed margin when things didn't look so rosy

at the end of the day they are businesses so they'll launch at whatever price they think they can get away with and then drop the price until they get the sales figures they want off them, I don't understand why either side cop so much hate for pricing on this forum... we all do the same thing when selling 2nd hand PC parts, cars, whatever - start at what we think we can get away with and then drop to where we get decent offers

if you want ludicrous tell me why they're still charging £3k for the tesla, or indeed the prices they want for any of the quadro range.

support... none of the price of a tesla is for the card, most of the money they charge for all the extra (niche) tools and support they give with a professional card
if you buy a GTX you can do a lot of the same things, if you know what you are doing, but Nvidia won't give you anywhere near the level of help and support that they do if you buy a pro-series card