Will a new Router\Modem such as 7800dxl increase my broadband speed?

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Hopefully somebody can give me some advice :)

Some info

I currently have Sky Broadband with a Sagemcom F@ST2504n router.
I supposedly live 1.5 miles (2.414 km) from the exchange.

Exchange information:
ADSL: Yes
SDSL: No
LLU services: Yes
Cable: No
Wireless: No

ROUTER STATISTICS:
Broadband Link - Downstream Upstream
Connection Speed - 4825 kbps 796 kbps
Line Attenuation - 52.5 dB 32.4 dB
Noise Margin - 4.3 dB 9.5 dB



My broadband is stable (it does not drop out or anything) but is quite slow.
Would buying a different modem router increase my broadband speeds? Does anybody have any idea how much speed increase I could expect? I did a little bit of googling and it seems I have the option of 7800dxl, 7800n or an Asus DSL-N55U?

Any features which boost the wireless range and throughput to my devices is a massive bonus too but not worth changing my router alone for.

Broadband speed increase, maintaining decent ping for gaming and keeping a solid connection would always be my main priorities.

Can anybody advise based on the information I have provided?

Also is there a master phone socket\faceplate filter that is highly recommended that could help increase speeds? I do not have a homephone installed and never plan to just in case that is relevent.

Thanks!
 
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Kmodo said:
Also is there a master phone socket\faceplate filter that is highly recommended that could help increase speeds? I do not have a homephone installed and never plan to just in case that is relevent.
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If you don't have any phones (faxes, alarm systems, etc.) connected then you don't need line filters at all.
 
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Kmodo said:
I supposedly live 1.5 miles (2.414 km) from the exchange.
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That would only be as the crow flies and not the actual length of the line between where you are and the exchange.

If you want to get a better idea of the length of the line then use google maps to generate a route between where you are and the exchange which should give you an exact length of the line (it was pretty accurate with my estimate as I'm under a mile from my exchange, but I have around a 2 mile line length), and if it gives anything beyond 4km (I'm only guessing as to what length would give that downstream line attenuation) then your speed is pretty much correct and a third party modem/router isn't going to help that much (unless you've only just subscribed, then you'll have to wait a few days for the line speed to sort itself out).
 
bremen1874 said:
If you don't have any phones (faxes, alarm systems, etc.) connected then you don't need line filters at all.
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Would an incoming phone call trip up the connection though? IE a spam call..

The 7800 series have a SNR tweaking page, which lets you improve your speed. On my mum's long line ~5km+, she used to get between 350-650 kbps, with a 7800N and the SNR tweaked, it's now stable on 1600-1700 kbps. A massive improvement.
 
I'd say judging from the 4.3dB Noise Margin you already have it'll not go much faster than that, unless that reading was taken at the very worst time of day for your line. A decent modem will go down to 2dB or maybe just a tad lower and still be pretty stable, meaning you could get 1dB or so worth of extra speed, which will not really be worth the effort.

Better results may be found by resolving any potential wiring issues that could be adding attenuation and reducing noise margin. A 52dB line is never going to go much faster than you have now really.
 
bremen1874 said:
If you don't have any phones (faxes, alarm systems, etc.) connected then you don't need line filters at all.
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Ahh okay thanks. Yeah I am not running any filters or anything which I thought was correct as I don't have any phones etc.

It was just I read about master socket boosters? I assume this is just better filtering for people with phones?

demonix said:
That would only be as the crow flies and not the actual length of the line between where you are and the exchange.

If you want to get a better idea of the length of the line then use google maps to generate a route between where you are and the exchange which should give you an exact length of the line (it was pretty accurate with my estimate as I'm under a mile from my exchange, but I have around a 2 mile line length), and if it gives anything beyond 4km (I'm only guessing as to what length would give that downstream line attenuation) then your speed is pretty much correct and a third party modem/router isn't going to help that much (unless you've only just subscribed, then you'll have to wait a few days for the line speed to sort itself out).
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Had Sky for over a year now. Google maps default shows 2 miles if going through lanes. If I change the route to follow the main roads it's 2.6miles.

Tealc said:
I'd say judging from the 4.3dB Noise Margin you already have it'll not go much faster than that, unless that reading was taken at the very worst time of day for your line. A decent modem will go down to 2dB or maybe just a tad lower and still be pretty stable, meaning you could get 1dB or so worth of extra speed, which will not really be worth the effort.

Better results may be found by resolving any potential wiring issues that could be adding attenuation and reducing noise margin. A 52dB line is never going to go much faster than you have now really.
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I live in an old property, like at least 120 years old. Assuming the wiring was changed at somepoint the likely hood is it is still quite old.

If my downstream line attenuation looks quite bad I am assuming getting new wiring would improve this? What are the kind of costs of getting new cabling installed to just the master socket? Would I have to get permission from BT?
 
Has anybody got an additional phone line installed and got another broadband plan to increase their internet speeds?

Like one line for just downloads and another line for browsing/streaming iplayer etc/gaming on the internet?
 
Looked into a new line and it costs £130!

Me: How much does it cost for BT to install a new line with a master phone socket in my house
Sherry: It would cost £130
Me: Would it be cheaper if I then had broadband with BT?
Sherry: Knowing it is a second line it would cost £130 even if you get broadband too
Me: I am currently with Sky Broadband so it is a new line with BT
Sherry: It does not matter with who you have the line now but it is a second line in the property so it would cost £130

Does anybody have any information to get a second line and broadband installed for a good price? :)
 
I've just done the same. £40 2nd line install via O2

7500 sync across two lines now. 15000 combined 2800 up. Be and 02. Tp link r470 is the load balance router. Works great.
 
Wow thanks for that information! Much more reasonable. I will ring them up about it tomorrow :)

The Tp link r470 load balance router, how does it work exactly. Sky are annoying and will not give me the user name and password for Sky broadband saying it is against their terms and conditions!!!

Will that Tp link r470 take the ethernet cable from the sky router and load balance that?
 
Anything you do on your side of the BT master socket is up to you. First though you should determine if it's a problem. Plug the sky router into the test socket or if you don't have an NTE5 then into the main master socket as it enters the property. Make sure all other telephony decides are disconnected from the circuit. Check the line attenuations and noise margins for a difference. If the margin increases dramatically or the speed changes dramatically then your internal wiring could be adding noise to the circuit.

You are not permitted to fiddle with the BT line coming into the property before the master socket.

It is likely though that the line attenuation is just related to your distance from the exchange and there is nothing you can do about that unless you move or they suddenly run fibre optic to your street pcp.
 
Kmodo said:
Wow thanks for that information! Much more reasonable. I will ring them up about it tomorrow :)
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I'd have to guess that when the time comes to install the new line, BTOR will most likely be lazy and splice the new line into the existing line rendering one broadband connection completely unusable.
 
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