Change of Company Policy - notice period
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That's such a subjective thing though. To me it's just the same as saying you wouldn't employ someone with coloured skin. It effects the person doing their job how? Someone with tattoos and piercings coming up to me in a suit is the same as someone without them. They look like they made the effort and most likely their personality shows that as well.
Like I said people need to get over this. Because what's really silly is making your mind up on someone purely because of tattoos/piercings. It's just not the same as looking like you haven't washed in a week.
Like I said people need to get over this. Because what's really silly is making your mind up on someone purely because of tattoos/piercings. It's just not the same as looking like you haven't washed in a week.
This isn't about judging an individual, it is simply about image projection of a company. Just as you would wear a business suit or an uniform, covering tattoos or removing visible piercings is part of that projection. It is about projecting an image professionally, nothing else.
Yes, but why? I would wear a suit to a job, why does it matter what someone looks like as long as they take care of themselves? That is the definition of discrimination, surely?
It's nothing like having a different ethnicity. It's more akin to wearing jeans to a black tie........it's unprofessional and not necessary. It also isn't about the individual, but the company they represent. Is it really that difficult to take out a nose ring at work in customer facing positions? Is really that offensive to the individual that they are asked to have a certain appearance whilst on duty..... Really????
You could argue that by refusing to remove a visible piercing they are not taking care of themselves professionally, its not discrimination because a piercing is an item of 'clothing', you may as well say it is discriminatory to insist on a minimum dress code.
There is a time and place for all things, and appropriate and inappropriate use of clothing and expressions of individuality. No one is discriminating as the individual retains their choices.
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I'm with Castiel. I'm all for freedom and expression and non discrimination etc, but frankly, people really should get real when they get them in the first place. Don't be a hero thinking you'll wear them regardless. The company will decide what is appropriate. If you can't cover up tats or piercings then you are going to have problems. I would not employ someone with tats on the lower arms unless it was made clear to them that they would be wearing long sleeve shirts in the summer, assuming it was a role in which I needed them to at times present themselves in a professional manner even if it was not a direct customer facing role.
Am I saying that people with tats and/or piercings can not come accross professionally? Pretty much yes. It's as simple as that. A suit is meaningless if you have a metal bar through your lip.
Am I saying that people with tats and/or piercings can not come accross professionally? Pretty much yes. It's as simple as that. A suit is meaningless if you have a metal bar through your lip.
In an ideal world it wouldn't matter, but we live in the real world, and people are bigoted, staff making themselves look like murderers/druggies/thieves in the clients eyes is not a good thing.
Pretty much this sadly
Skin colour is different. A person with a tattoo or piercings has made the conscious choice to make themselves look like that. They have decided that their body "art" is more important than anything that may happen in the future, including employment prospects. Personally I think facial piercings look ridiculous (especially in men) and most tattoos are frankly hideous. Good ones done by good (read: expensive) artists can be very impressive, but lets face it; most people's tattoos these days just look crap.
I can't imagine why anyone would want to get what essentially amounts to a childs doodle inked on their skin for life. The worst ones have got to be names of kids and birth dates up your neck. Makes the wearer look like a right chav. I would hate to be "honoured" in that way.
But this is it if people were not judgmental then people wouldn't be choosing art over a future because it wouldn't matter. Because people have a stigma about it and can't keep there negative thoughts to themselves people who honestly don't care what you think about what you think of tattoos/piercings have to suffer for it. It hurts no one yet there is a idea that if you have them you are not socially acceptable as someone without. People have to wear items of clothing because of religious reasons but we accept that because it's discriminating otherwise.
Someone said it's not judgemental. But it is. Someone made the choice that they feel it's unprofessional whether it be the boss or customer. Someone has said this is what I think looks right and this is what's wrong. I'm going to assume that they think it's wrong because of the culture or what they think the look gives off. I understand the reason but in reality it's never the case. I guess a good example are things like rock bars. But as soon as you're at the bar the bartender is smiling and asking for your order and being polite. You warm to there personality rather than there look. A smile can do wonders really.
I really do understand but it is a stereotypical thing rather than a legitimate reason really.
I get that piercings can be taken out (well not all) and people can not get a tattoo in a visible area but it's conforming because someone else can't accept it. When in a ideal world if people don't like it they should keep their thoughts to themselves because it does more harm than good.
As for it not being like having a different skin colour because you had a choice. Possibly. But do you think back in the day black people would have said if they had a choice they would be white? If you don't think it has any relevance then why don't we replace tattoo/piercings with the word black in this thread.
Someone said it's not judgemental. But it is. Someone made the choice that they feel it's unprofessional whether it be the boss or customer. Someone has said this is what I think looks right and this is what's wrong. I'm going to assume that they think it's wrong because of the culture or what they think the look gives off. I understand the reason but in reality it's never the case. I guess a good example are things like rock bars. But as soon as you're at the bar the bartender is smiling and asking for your order and being polite. You warm to there personality rather than there look. A smile can do wonders really.
I really do understand but it is a stereotypical thing rather than a legitimate reason really.
I get that piercings can be taken out (well not all) and people can not get a tattoo in a visible area but it's conforming because someone else can't accept it. When in a ideal world if people don't like it they should keep their thoughts to themselves because it does more harm than good.
As for it not being like having a different skin colour because you had a choice. Possibly. But do you think back in the day black people would have said if they had a choice they would be white? If you don't think it has any relevance then why don't we replace tattoo/piercings with the word black in this thread.
Quality post.
Why is it any different to a dress code?
I am required to turn up to work dressed smartly. This means that if I arrived at work wearing a scruffy, dirty t-shirt, ripped jeans, and dirty white trainers, that I would very likely be told to go home.
Why is it different for piercings?
Skin colour is NOT the same.
I am required to turn up to work dressed smartly. This means that if I arrived at work wearing a scruffy, dirty t-shirt, ripped jeans, and dirty white trainers, that I would very likely be told to go home.
Why is it different for piercings?
Skin colour is NOT the same.
Just deal with it, simple really. They are well within their right to make you not wear a piercing and rightly so.
I can't wear any piercings at all, not even retainers in ears, nothing! I eventually got bored of taking mine out for work so let them heal up in the end!
I can't wear any piercings at all, not even retainers in ears, nothing! I eventually got bored of taking mine out for work so let them heal up in the end!
This is not a sane comparison. Let's replace tattoo/piercings with "dressing smartly" instead - much more appropriate.
It isn't. It makes invalid comparisons and doesn't address the overriding issue which is one of appropriate appearance depending on the situation. If we followed the logic that Tobes has tried to convey ten we should not look at the appearance of a person in any circumstances, we should look beyond their dress, appearance, and bearing and only consider the individual....however this is impractical in most situations where you do not intimately know the individual so we are required to rely upon more superficial ways to initially decide how we approach or deal with a person or the company, institution or body they represent. Like it or not we are social animals, some amount of conform is necessary to allow social cohesion, there is a time for self expression, even in the workplace, but it is entirely dependant upon the situation and not the individual.....I wouldn't go to a board meeting in my speedos, neither would I go swimming in my business suit (except for one time).
This is entirely about appropriate behaviour in relation to the situation, not about discriminating against a persons individuality.
I have tattoos on my hands, I have covered them for much of my professional life.....it's not really that big a deal.
And trying to compare racism with the choice of wearing a nose ring or not is pretty daft, if not insulting to those who have suffered because of their ethnicity.
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Ok but how is a tattoo the same as dressing smartly? Piercings can be taken out so let's not include it for now. But let's say pretty little me has got tattoo sleeves. I'm in a shirt and tie and black trousers and shoes. My hair is tidy and I haven't slapped on any makeup. It's summer so I have my sleeves rolled up or wearing a short sleave shirt. If my skin was clean that would be acceptable but because I have ink under my skin now it's all so very wrong?
I get people not making a effort for their job but this isn't it.
It hurts no one just the same as gay people, transsexuals, religious people etc. You accept that and in time the world will accept tattoos and the like. So why not just speed this up and get over it?
I get people not making a effort for their job but this isn't it.
It hurts no one just the same as gay people, transsexuals, religious people etc. You accept that and in time the world will accept tattoos and the like. So why not just speed this up and get over it?
More likely tattoos will get phased out of society like smoking is.
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If you were arrested by the police and your solicitor showed up wearing Addidas trackies, a puffa jacket and a Burberry cap stinking of Marlboro and special brew would your first reaction be "he has passed all is qualifications and must be a perfectly sound lawyer, despite how he looks"?
Appearance plays a big part in business and letting the staff walk round with tattoos/piercings on show looking like they have just come from a council estate drug den is not good for the company's image. They chose to make them self look threatening/unintelligent to the customers eyes, nobody forced the choice upon them like a person with scars, its perfectly permit-table to want them to hide their alterations.
Imagine the same scenario but wearing a Burberry cap or a Marilyn Manson beanie, see how it ruins the effort made by the smart clothes and completely changes the appearance?
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