UEFA Champions League/Europa League 5/6/7 March *** Spoilers ***
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Oh completely which is why I try and stay out of such things. But I have to say, and I'm sure a lot of people would agree, it's always nice to see Utd stop being so perfect and faltering occasionally
It's only natural!that was the most laughable red card I've ever seen in football.
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Agreed, I often hate other English fans because we have this ability to be real WUMs, like sarcastically cheering when someone ***** something up, it doesn't seem to be something foreign fans do and I really hate how we do it. I'd like to think of myself as a balanced and considerate football fan, not just a United fan. I'm willing to give credit where credit is due to rival teams and will happily have a discussion about another prem team without taking the ****. I think people who just want to wind up rival fans need to grow up a bit.
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WTF? Townsend saying the ref shouldn't have followed the letter of the law and should've used his judgement...
It's referee's using their judgement rather than following the letter of the law that makes decisions so inconsistent.
It's referee's using their judgement rather than following the letter of the law that makes decisions so inconsistent.
Yeah like when Swansea played Bradford and the ref sent off the Bradford keeper, the commentators said he should have 'used his head' and seen the game was over already. Baffling to be honest.
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It would mean video replays that would be ideal
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Closely followed by Carrick's second yellow for kicking the ball away (Champions League? Can't remember what game it was) Absolute joke.
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Regarding the dangerous play point... What about Diego Lopez going to punch the ball first half, missing it and clobbering Vidic in the head. Is that not equally or even more dangerous?
As far as I'm concerned intent simply has to be factored into incidents like these. It is difficult but a bit of common sense has to prevail.
It is such a shame though. The game was perfectly balanced and now all we have is people talking about how a referee robbed Manchester United rather than having had the opportunity to see Real Madrid really make a go of it chasing the game.
As far as I'm concerned intent simply has to be factored into incidents like these. It is difficult but a bit of common sense has to prevail.
It is such a shame though. The game was perfectly balanced and now all we have is people talking about how a referee robbed Manchester United rather than having had the opportunity to see Real Madrid really make a go of it chasing the game.
Yeh that Van Persie one was just ridiculous. Wasnt there like 1 second between the ref blowing his whistle and Van Persie shooting or something?
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Was that the only shot arsenal had in the 2nd half?
he should have heard the whistle though, it was a pretty quiet environment, hardly any external sounds around...
Christ I had to google that, dont remember it at all
(was away to Milan btw when we won 2-3)
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Meh, you see it quite often, huge reaction, going and complaining, then players walk off start shaking hands and come back to shake the officials hands, its always quite odd.
In terms of the performance I think Utd actually started to withdraw backwards after the goal, before the sending off, and that Real had changed from a sit back and try and nab a late goal if needed, to a more proactive gameplan. The biggest shift in the game happened with Utd's goal, not the sending off, the sending off just made it harder when Real got ahead, for Utd to make a better go of it when they had to push forwards again.
Exactly as happened with the Utd goal, happened again with Real's second, Real started to hang back, not push, not over commit and Utd suddenly went from hanging on to have to get a goal.
The simple fact that Utd managed to push forwards when they went behind proves that Nani wasn't what changed the way they played or prevented them pushing fowards.
Nani's to blame for a reckless tackle, but Fergie is to blame for the tactics. Sitting back against Real is asking for trouble, and they got it. When they pressed Real, they isolated the front guys and the movement from Ozil, Di Maria while he was on, Khedira was awful, Khedira kept electing to go backwards, they just werent' clicking, they've been like that all season. When Utd backed off, they let the midfield get forwards, the fullbacks push on, and the front three got closer and everyones passing improved.
They simply shouldn't have backed off after the goal, full stop, they invited pressure and Nani's sending off may well not have happened if they'd kept Real pinned back and their forwards all isolated.
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I wasn't surprised to see us sit off after going 1-0 up (several of us said it would happen at the time), we've done it time and time again this season. We just don't have the quality defence to do it against the top teams any more. It was our pressure that was causing problems, we shouldn't have eased off and let them back into it.
That Twitter account must be a hoax account surely? I don't think a professional referee would be stupid enough to follow football clubs/footballers, can't wait for the aftermath if its real though how can he be expected to act impartially when he's a fan of one of the teams. 
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Intent is important for the same reason that getting caught drunk driving is still punished even if you don't hit anyone or cause an accident, its to teach people to not drink and drive because eventually you'll end up killing someone.
Dangerous play is punished because intent or not that tackle could seriously hurt someone, its punished to stop people making those tackles full stop.
The vast majorities of red cards aren't given for intent, but dangerous play, most two footed tackles and lunges aren't given, most players never remotely intend to hurt or injure another player, most of those that everyone agrees with are given for a tackle that has zero intent whatsoever.
Two footed tackles that are given for dangerous play, some result in injury, most don't, same principle, you punish any instance of the tackle to prevent people doing them at all.