Just Cause dev claims “PS4 will out-power most PCs for years

~>Dg<~ said:
ps4 is a lot more powerful than people think gunna be some shocked people come october november
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I don't think they are. We know exactly how powerful it is as we've seen the specs and it's all based on current hardware that is available now for comparison?

It will have the usual console advantages when it comes to optimisation due to the closed platform of course.
 
FrenchTart said:
I don't think they are. We know exactly how powerful it is as we've seen the specs and it's all based on current hardware that is available now for comparison?

It will have the usual console advantages when it comes to optimisation due to the closed platform of course.
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Jaguar cores aren't available now. But that's about it.
 
My PC out-powers most PCs today! :D

It is one of those type of comments taken so out of context. I think the PS4 will have more horse power than most of the PC markets game developers have to aim for, for years to come. Mainly because the way it is seemingly going to deal with memory, which to developers I'm guessing would be the equivalent of having a 6GB GPU to play with?

1 to 1 PC will out power the PS4 by a rather large margin but for game developers PC will probably seem like the lower end platform again for a few years (2-3 years) until the average user PC spec improves. That is because they can't aim for everyone to have super high-end GPUs as it block out too much of the market to make a port to PC feasible.

Also I think John Carmack said consoles almost work 2-1 to a PC of a similar spec from a developer standpoint due to it being a closed system with only one specification to deal with and no need to worry about driver and 3rd party software issues. He might be slightly jaded by the ATI + Rage experience :p
 
Yeah, Carmack said that with console single fixed spec and coding directly to HW (instead of going through windows layers of DX and drivers), console HW is much more effective, being about twice as powerful as equivalent PC hardware.

Which means that yes, consoles will offer great experience for the first 2-3 years. After that, PC will start stomping it into the ground once again, and games will start being hampered by consoles once again.
 
I excited to see what The new games that are released on these consoles will be like graphics wise, I am looking forward to the VRMMORPG games that may come in the future.
 
I can only reiterate what people have already said.

Its a hugely vague statement and the vast majority of PCs are in an office (such as the piece of crap pc I'm writing this post on) which only need to run the Microsoft Office package and maybe 1 other major piece of software like SAGE or AutoCAD or Photoshop depending on your job. I know the company is planning to upgrade to Windows 7 and office 2010 by the end of this year but the computers simply aren't built for gaming so its irrelevant.
 
Even if you just look at gamers and ignore business machines its a perfectly valid statement.

http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey

Just look at the spread of VRAM, "most people" even now have no more than 1GB. Just look at the 'average PC'. 8GBs RAM, a 2.5Ghz Dual Core, Intel HD Graphics with 1GB VRAM and a 1080p monitor.

I don't get this blinkered view that some kids have that everyone is running top end graphics cards and hardware. They are in the minority, a very small minority.
 
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Yep, I agree with Skeeter. I don't think he's talking about PCs that are used in offices, he's talking about PCs that are used for playing games, and he's probably right too.

Most people have much lower spec PCs than people on here.
 
ok so looks like with ps4 being twice as powerful due to closed hardware as a pc with a similar spec, we'll all need 8 core intel cpus and titans/dual 680/7970 to compete, until cheaper alternatives become available. i did suspect as much! looks like if you have anything less than that in 2 years ( got to give developers time to get to grips with the hardware) you'll be running most games on low/medium! and if you do have that kind of hardware in wont look much better than a ps4! but hopefully in 2 years they'll be faster gfx cards than titan anyway, and faster 8 core cpus at a sensible price.
 
jamiehavok said:
ok so looks like with ps4 being twice as powerful due to closed hardware as a pc with a similar spec, we'll all need 8 core intel cpus and titans/dual 680/7970 to compete, until cheaper alternatives become available. i did suspect as much! looks like if you have anything less than that in 2 years ( got to give developers time to get to grips with the hardware) you'll be running most games on low/medium! and if you do have that kind of hardware in wont look much better than a ps4! but hopefully in 2 years they'll be faster gfx cards than titan anyway, and faster 8 core cpus at a sensible price.
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Nope. It's not looking like that at all, though I'm sure Sony would love for you to carry on believing this.
 
As with all console launches, while it will be possible to spec up a PC to outperform it at lanch, very few people will actually have one. It will take a long time for the majority of gamers PCs (or the average gamer PC) to overtake the consoles.

PC performance increases in a line, while console performance goes up in big steps.
 
Skeeter said:
As with all console launches, while it will be possible to spec up a PC to outperform it at lanch, very few people will actually have one. It will take a long time for the majority of gamers PCs (or the average gamer PC) to overtake the consoles.

PC performance increases in a line, while console performance goes up in big steps.
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Yeah... As has been said, many average PCs aren't even gaming PCs.

The statement comes across as absurd though because many of us already have PCs that are higher spec than the PS4 despite it not being out yet.
 
FrenchTart said:
Nope. It's not looking like that at all, though I'm sure Sony would love for you to carry on believing this.
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well ps4 games will likely be lazily ported so wont take advantage of a fast 4 core cpu but rather an 8 core cpu (once developers get used to the extra threads) like the ps4 has and with the optimization that comes with consoles and closed hardware and a gpu as powerful as a 7850 (but with more vram) in pc terms in there, although yeah i'm slightly exaggerating i wouldn't be surprised if it goes something like that! but also in 2 years time as i said titan performance will be half the price and 8 core amd chips will likely offer a lot more performance and still not be that much more expensive than they are now, and thats what youl probably need to keep up with consoles
 
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FrenchTart said:
Yeah... As has been said, many average PCs aren't even gaming PCs.
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Even when you look at just gaming PCs its not an absurd statement. Look at the Steam survey.

The statement comes across as absurd though because many of us already have PCs that are higher spec than the PS4 despite it not being out yet.
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I think you are dramatically over estimating the true number of "many of us".
 
FrenchTart said:
Nope. It's not looking like that at all, though I'm sure Sony would love for you to carry on believing this.
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Agreed :p

If if the PS4 is more powerful than a PC I wouldn't expect PC ports of game suddenly only be able to run on low/medium settings but rather the high settings are actually equal to there console counterpart rather than at the moment PC might look 2-4x better by the time you up the resolution, add AA, extra lighting, tessellation, DX 11 effects and the like.

Also with the next-gen consoles being on similar architecture porting of code should be far easier so the rendering techniques will be similar across all platforms meaning less cuts. I think the only issue with modern PCs would be the lack of VRam on most GPUs, something that will probably be fixed by the end of the year with new AMD/Nvidea cards (for high enthusiast PC gamers).
 
jamiehavok said:
well ps4 games will likely be lazily ported so wont take advantage of a fast 4 core cpu but rather an 8 core cpu (once developers get used to the extra threads) like the ps4 has and with the optimization that comes with consoles and closed hardware and a gpu as powerful as a 7850 (but with more vram) in pc terms in there, although yeah i'm slightly exaggerating i wouldn't be surprised if it goes something like that!
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Punctuation. *head pain*

"Ports" will no doubt be lazy and will run badly of course. That doesn't make the PS4 twice as powerful as an equivalent PC though and games that are either ported well or coded natively for the PC will still look as good or better than PS4 games.
 
maxilive said:
Agreed :p

If if the PS4 is more powerful than a PC I wouldn't expect PC ports of game suddenly only be able to run on low/medium settings but rather the high settings are actually equal to there console counterpart rather than at the moment PC might look 2-4x better by the time you up the resolution, add AA, extra lighting, tessellation, DX 11 effects and the like.

Also with the next-gen consoles being on similar architecture porting of code should be far easier so the rendering techniques will be similar across all platforms meaning less cuts. I think the only issue with modern PCs would be the lack of VRam on most GPUs, something that will probably be fixed by the end of the year with new AMD/Nvidea cards (for high enthusiast PC gamers).
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I'm quite interested to see how the VRAM pans out, yeah. That could be a seriously interesting change to games (though I think things are likely to be limited quite a lot by the use of bluray and small hard drives).

Skeeter said:
Even when you look at just gaming PCs its not an absurd statement. Look at the Steam survey.

I think you are dramatically over estimating the true number of "many of us".
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I didn't say it was an absurd statement. I said the reason that it *seems* absurd is that many of us have higher spec'd rigs. And yes, many of us on this forum do. Of course not everyone does, or even most (or even a quarter) of average gaming PC owners but that doesn't change the fact that 'many' of the people reading the OcUK PC gaming forum find the statement a little absurd. It is technically true but the way it is worded feels somewhat sensationalist.
 
Again with the 'many'...

I'll go do the maths for you. What is a current comparable card from ATI and nVidia that matches the PS4's performance? 7870 and 680?
 
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