Any cardinal who votes for a pope younger than himself is, in essence, voting to never get a shot at being Pope.
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Any cardinal who votes for a pope younger than himself is, in essence, voting to never get a shot at being Pope.
I hope you're not accusing them of acting in their own self interest etc.. the Pope is chosen by God isn't he?
What is your opinion on the huge amounts of money they spend in Africa and around the world helping the poor, hungry, on healthcare, on education (including Aids victims and their families) and orphans etc?
AIDS is also not the fault of the Catholic Church, if such people where actually committed Catholics they would be less likely to catch AIDS as the official Church policy is one of abstinence and you do not catch HIV through sexual transmission if you are abstaining. Also, despite Vatican Policy one of the moist common places to get condoms in Africa is from the Missions.
Big Pharma policies, Poor Sanitation and Healthcare, Some Cultural Practices, Poor Disease Treatment, Poor Education, and various other problems both social and economic all contribute to the HIV/AIDS issues in Africa and beyond.
The Catholic Church is not perfect and their is much to criticise it about, but to suggest they do not spend vast amounts of money helping people is simply wrong.
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I can't believe this is stilling occurring and that 1000s of people stand out in the rain for the results. It is like an ancient psychosis, a mind spell for the weak. Who cares who this guy is or what he wants to do. He is just a man, like any other. It is 2013 i do not think that people should give this institution any coverage. They don't do it for other religions.
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That's all well and good, but from their lofty posts, how are the papacy supposed to make any relevant decisions for their subjects, as it were?
Anything that contributes to the appalling positions these people find themselves in should not be seen as a force for good!
Furthermore, why the hell would you make a policy of abstinence instead of dealing with the real issue? They're probably right, that is the best way to go about preventing the spread of AIDs, but it's in addition to the strong negative contribution that they make.
It's a case of them being unbelievably blind to the real plights of people.
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That's a bit like saying it's OK not to wear a seat belt, just don't ever get in a car.
The majority of people can't or won't abstain so it's a ridiculous policy as it doesn't fit with reality. Because of that, it just silly to use it to defend their policy on condom use.
It's also an extremist policy, it's the ultimate in the 'pro-life' argument. It's fine to have philosophical debates about how many weeks before a fertilized egg becomes a person but to say life begins at ejaculation is just insane.
You said the Catholic Church collectively, not the Papacy...and the Papacy can drive policy and reform.
Indeed, but the Catholic Church and other religious organisations such as The WCC does a significant amount to help bring those people out of the appalling positions these people find themselves in....partially because of western nations policies I might add.
I think you should take a trip to Africa and see for yourself rather than simply repeating rhetoric you hear elsewhere. The various church missions and funded charities and healthcare program's help millions of Africans everyday with AIDS, Hunger, Education and the myriad of other very real issues that the continent has...and not only Africa, they do this globally. (In the US for example they run a range of shelters and hospices for AIDS/HIV victims who find themselves outside of the help available from the State or are homeless and destitute)...in Africa for example, the largest AIDS/HIV support NGO in Namibia is the CAA, a Catholic organisation. Caritas (a Catholic NGO) is one of the largest and most effective organisations helping the poor, ill and those suffering from oppression, famine and poverty throughout the world. CAFOD again, one of the most effective Aid agencies in the world, and these are just a few examples so I don't know how you can justify stating that they contribute to the appalling conditions these people are in and that they are a strong negative contribution.....
I would say that was being somewhat ironic.
Ah, you've made me think of fluffy kittens & feel all warm inside knowing that Christians are moral & harmless people.
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Not really, in most of what he does he's just preaching to the converted (literally), spouting the same old conservative nonsense they already subscribe to (abortions bad, being gay is a sin, condoms are evil etc etc).
To be influential you actually have to be able to change people's behavior/minds.
I'd say Justin Bieber is far more influential in that respect than the Pope.
It's not ridiculous to them, it is consistent with their beliefs on sex outside marriage. However, it is also important to point out that condoms are invariably supplied through the same missions anyway. What most people don't seem to understand is that each Priest in mission does have a certain amount of autonomy and it is not against Catholic policy to give them out as an initial protection against infection...they do still maintain that abstinence before and monogamy within marriage is more effective however....and they would be right..if people actually followed such advice. Which clearly they don't. It is also true that some Preists have said some pretty stupid things about AIDS and Condoms, again this needs to be taken in context of the larger contribution the Catholic Church makes in care to its victims and also in light of other priests who state that Catholic Churches official position is one that is wrong and supports the use of condoms in circumstances where life's are at risk, something later supported by the Pope.
The fact remains that the Catholic Church is the largest provider of aid and care to AIDs/HIV victims globally....that is not the actions of an organisation that doesn't care or seeks to be a force for evil. Quite the opposite in fact.
Yay, another guy who opposes abortion, contraception and homosexuality (yet will probably excuse the touching of kids under Gods roof). Another guy rising to great power founded on nothing but BS. And we criticise our political leaders so. How ironic.
... is how I interpreted your post.
Then you should have actually read it instead.
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A new pope? Another person to pay £12m security in taxpayers' money when he visits the UK.
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How on Earth do you think this is acceptable in anyway on a family forum?
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So are some people actually trying to say that the adulterer or those practicing sex before marriage are so religious that they will not use condoms for fear of damnation? I'm sorry but surely many of those propagating HIV simply just don't care for such religious constraints and values and any change in stance by the Catholic Church will do nothing to change their minds.