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AMD X4-965BE - Go for 8350 or wait for Steamroller?

soundood said:
if your board supports it, go for a FX8350, you wont regret it.

I just went from a 1100t to an 8350, and I am very happy I did, then sell your 965BE they still go for £60 those chips as they are usualy good clockers,

when steamroller comes out, then sell the 8350.
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Thank you. Good to know.
 
humbug said:
Yes, but your not going to get massive overclocks on the FX-83## with that motherboard, you might get 4.5Ghz safely.
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Cheers.

I was under the impression that the board I got was really good for OCing. Are the MSIs better?

Also, to me 4.5GHz would be really good. Do you only consider 4.8, 4.9, 5.0, or higher to be good?

Thank you
 
I am not sure about that revision so someone would have to chime in on that but on mine which is simply a M5A97 it came down to the phase design and also read a few things about the power limit on the socket(read it elsewhere so take this with a grain of salt as I am not sure) and a fair amount of 970 boards had this issue..

I know my board simply hits a hard wall at 4.2 ish and thats that no matter the combo of settings I tried. Now your board is newer and might do better but be prepared for that limitation going into it and if you can break past it then you wont be disappointed.
 
I have the FX8350 and so far it's turning out to be a very nice chip. Gets a +1 from me.

I am planning to move this to 4.8 GHz at some point.
 
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I've been thinking something almost the same for quite a while! Deserving of the same thread me thinks...

Currently running on Phenom 2 quad @ 3.9ghz, is in fact an unlocked, overclocked dual (best £70 chip I even had!! :)

Now I was thinking of going for the FX 6300 6 core chip, as this is pretty much a purely gaming machine. I was thinking that overclocked to the same 4ghz as the 8350 it would pretty much give exact same performance in games as the 8350 as most games, if any utilize 8 cores!?

I ask as I've just upgraded GPU to 7850 which has given me a quite a boost over my 5850 yet not as much as I hoped. Thing is on the Heaven Bench I see absolutely no improvement when I overclock the card to its CCC limit (about 10% overclock) and I still see no improvement when I overclock to max stable, near a 20% overclock. Im thinking my Phenom is throttling the card even at it's stock value!?

Am I right in thinking that purely for games at the same clock speeds there would be little difference between the 6 core chip and the 8 core FX cpu's!?

I've been contemplating moving to Intel for my games machine for a while, thing is up until now I've only ever really need to upgrade 1 part or the other, and never really justified a complete system move over when the majority of my parts are more than capable.

Im hoping that with the 7850, the 6 core chip will tide me over nicely for maybe 2 years, in which time all my components could do with an upgrade at roughly the same time which would leave me completely open to either the intel or amd route!?
 
medseven said:
Am I right in thinking that purely for games at the same clock speeds there would be little difference between the 6 core chip and the 8 core FX cpu's!?
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I would have thought so, yes. The 6-core could actually be a better bet, it doesn't run as hot and may overclock further than the 8-core ? That is just a guess, worth investigating
 
There is a very small handful of games where a 8 core fx will outperform a 6 core, i am expecting the list to grow though. From my own experience Crysis 3 and from the Crysis 3 benchmarks, it would definitely be worth going for the 8 core IF you plan on playing the very few games which are threaded for it.

TALON1973 said:
ive got a Asus M5A97 LE R2.0 mobo .. which the site says supports an fx8350 .. so its well worth going from a 965be ? 1080p max res
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Your board though has only 4+2 power phasing and this will limit your overclock on a 6300 or a 8350. I cant guarantee if it will even be able to stay at full speed at load without throttling. I have had a very similar board from asus and the VRM's were throttling the CPU (even at stock under load). There is even a couple of threads posted in last few days saying that their boards with 4+1 or 4+2 power phasing was throttling their CPU (and those ones had heatsinks on their moffsets, while your mobo doesnt). I have had other low power phasing MOBO's which didn't throttle the CPU but would still severely limit my overclock, so it comes down to a bit of luck too (voltages in this case were unstable even if i didnt get throttling).

I think if you want a 6300 or an 8350, you will have to buy a new motherboard to run it without throttling and so it might be worth looking into an intel option.
 
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Seriously!? Thanks for the heads-up! I get no problems with unclocking this Phenom in it and overclocking to 3.9ghz so bit of a suprise. Really thought I was getting a top notch board when I got it aswell, with the 990fx chipset and a bit of a premium over other boards.

Is this true with all sabertooths or a case by case type of situation!?
 
I would still go with a new processor such as FX-6300 as going Intel will be more expensive

Also just for the record your board has a 8+2 power phase which is expected really as it's a nice high end board

I would be expecting quite a decent OC whether it's FX-6300 or FX-8350
 
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medseven said:
Seriously!? Thanks for the heads-up! I get no problems with unclocking this Phenom in it and overclocking to 3.9ghz so bit of a suprise. Really thought I was getting a top notch board when I got it aswell, with the 990fx chipset and a bit of a premium over other boards.

Is this true with all sabertooths or a case by case type of situation!?
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Oh the sabertooth will be fine, it is built to take these chips power, i was referring to this poster:

TALON1973 said:
ive got a Asus M5A97 LE R2.0 mobo .. which the site says supports an fx8350 .. so its well worth going from a 965be ? 1080p max res
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Ill edit my post to make it clear.

The sabertooth power phasing is 8+2 and is in design, VERY similar to ROG's crosshair V (which i have the formula Z version), they are great boards and wont be the limiting factor in your clock

I think this thread has some confusion as to which MOBO will work and which will struggle, since there are 3 posters asking about whether their motherboards are okay to take these chips, so here is a short answer:

Sabertooth: Will be absolutely fine and is made for these high power eating things

Crosshair V formula Z: have two of these boards and can say this board and the Sabertooth are probably the best am3+ boards out there, will have no problems with any AM3+ CPU

M5A97 LE R2.0: Will struggle due to low power phasing and lack of mofset cooling. This combination is very detrimental when it comes to clocking these high power chips and you wont be able to guarantee them to not throttle even at stock under load.
 
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medseven said:
I ask as I've just upgraded GPU to 7850 which has given me a quite a boost over my 5850 yet not as much as I hoped. Thing is on the Heaven Bench I see absolutely no improvement when I overclock the card to its CCC limit (about 10% overclock) and I still see no improvement when I overclock to max stable, near a 20% overclock. Im thinking my Phenom is throttling the card even at it's stock value!?
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I think you are expecting too much from the 7850. They are certainly more efficient cards but in terms of power they aren't really all that much better than the 5850's. A better cpu would certainly see better results, yes, but it would with the 5850 as well.
 
james.miller said:
I think you are expecting too much from the 7850. They are certainly more efficient cards but in terms of power they aren't really all that much better than the 5850's. A better cpu would certainly see better results, yes, but it would with the 5850 as well.
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A better cpu would show better results in games, but not in heaven as its gpu bound.
Depeding on the game , At 860mhz core 1250 memory a 7850 still would still beat up a 5850 stock, edit = Besides the 5850 only has 1gb vram. Once they are clocked to around 1100 1400 they would be hitting stock 7870 performance. Which is a massive difference from a 5850.
 
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