Poundland Girl Wins Forced Labour Ruling

Which were posted where? Certainly not within the first 11 pages, the only things that were posted are Chinese whispers. Dolph was the only poster that tried to construct an actual reply based on fact.

Comparing workfare with slavery, I'm not even going to go into that one.

All I was merely pointing out is that there so much mis information in here posted by people that clearly don't know the conditions of job seekers allowance or the workfare schemes.

Posted in the papers plenty of times eg The FT and The Guardian have covered it. Dolph bases his opinions on facts - however he has a tendency to be rather choosy on which facts he presents. When then countered and more relevant facts are presented he goes absent for a few weeks sometimes more and then comes back with the same countered facts.

Why won't you go there - do the similarities run contrary to your bias. Or do you actually think all slaves were treated badly, solely taken by bad white people, etc.

No you posted that there was misinformation in this thread (which I agree with it is an internet thread afterall) and then you misrepresented something as a fact when a quick google shows it was not true.
 
Red Cross out. "we no longer feel it is appropriate" Here's what they had to say after receiving a letter from a customer.

“I am sorry that the atmosphere in your local Red Cross shop has been unhappy of late and that there have been ‘volunteers’ who were finding it difficult to cope…

“In line with our fundamental principles our aim has always been to support vulnerable people in crisis and as such we no longer feel that it is appropriate to participate in a programme where sanctions might be applied that could result in an individual losing their benefits.”

http://www.boycottworkfare.org/
 
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Posted in the papers plenty of times eg The FT and The Guardian have covered it. Dolph bases his opinions on facts - however he has a tendency to be rather choosy on which facts he presents. When then countered and more relevant facts are presented he goes absent for a few weeks sometimes more and then comes back with the same countered facts.

Why won't you go there - do the similarities run contrary to your bias. Or do you actually think all slaves were treated badly, solely taken by bad white people, etc.

No you posted that there was misinformation in this thread (which I agree with it is an internet thread afterall) and then you misrepresented something as a fact when a quick google shows it was not true.

I wouldn't bother, just ignore him. ;)
 
Posted: March 12th, 2013 | Author: editor | Filed under: Call to action, Charities | 2 Comments »


YMCA: still backing workfare despite all the evidence (Photo: Joelsp/Flickr)
YMCA England have come out fighting in the name of workfare with a new statement defending their use of forced unpaid workers on the Mandatory Work Activity (MWA) scheme. This follows their slur aimed at anti-workfare campaigners in which they claimed that just a handful of people are opposed to workfare.

Whilst most ethical charities have pulled out or tried to distance themselves from workfare, the YMCA, along with the Salvation Army have happily adopted roles as Iain Duncan Smith’s cheerleaders for unpaid work.

This is despite the YMCA’s own president, the Archbishop of York Dr John Sentamu, saying last year:


“By all means, pay companies incentives to employ young people, but do not take advantage of the vulnerable by using them as free labour.”

The YMCA are justifying their use of forced unpaid workers by claiming that some workfare participants have had a good experience with the charity and they have heard of ‘several’ cases where someone even got a job after attending the scheme.

What they are choosing to ignore is the brutal reality for those sanctioned. Those who refuse forced labour at the YMCA are plunged into immediate poverty with benefits stopped, sometimes for up to three years. Whilst they continue their involvement in this scheme, YMCA England are directly culpable for the poverty, desperation and homelessness of those who refuse to, or are unable to serve as free workers in YMCA charity shops. It is often those who face the greatest difficulties, people who may have a mental health condition, or face other difficulties such as homelessness or substance misuse problems, who find themselves sanctioned for being unable to attend workfare – the very people the YMCA would claim to support.

The evidence shows that the Mandatory Work Activity scheme does not improve people’s chances of finding work. Despite the YMCA’s claims that the scheme is supposed to be beneficial, the Social Security Advisory Committee who scrutinise welfare reform noted (PDF):


“We wonder why, given that the Department views mandatory work activity as a beneficial change, people will not be permitted to volunteer to take part. This seems to us to signal that being mandated to mandatory work activity is regarded as a punishment rather than an opportunity to learn and develop new behaviours and skills.”

A rolling online picket against workfare exploiters in the charitable sector called in the run up to the Week of Action Against Workfare has already led to Sue Ryder pulling out when they realised the extent of public anger at forced unpaid work.

It’s time to show YMCA England that it is not just a handful of people who object to forced unpaid labour. Boycott them and let’s send a storm of online protest to show this charity just how many people are disgusted at their use of workfare.

YMCA England are on facebook at: http://www.facebook.com/THEYMCA

Contact the Bishop on twitter @JohnSentamu or the charity direct @YMCA_England

Phone them on 020 7186 9500 or their shops hotline on 0845 601 0728.

Email: [email protected] or [email protected]

They have a youtube channel at: http://www.youtube.com/user/ymcaengland

To find contact details of your nearest YMCA shop visit: http://www.ymca.org.uk/find/ymcashops

Contact YMCA International to tell the world what this organisation is doing in their name to the poorest and already destitute in the UK @ymcaint or on facebook: http://www.facebook.com/ymcas

YMCA have a range of fundraising arms including a Fitness Training company on twitter @ymcafit and facebook: http://www.facebook.com/ymcafit

They also run a corporate conference centre called Dunford House 01730 812381 [email protected] http://www.facebook.com/dunfordhouse

Join the Week of Action Against Workfare beginning on March 18th.

Please note: Whilst it’s well worth trying to speak to a manager or senior individual if possible please bear in mind most people taking calls/emails will be low paid retail/admin staff and could even be on workfare themselves. Be aware that is an offence to make telephone calls or send communications which are threatening, indecent or offensive.

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Visit the boycott workfare website and send a message to the YMCA, links are provided so it's quick and simple.

http://www.boycottworkfare.org/?p=2262#more-2262
 
REMEMBER! there are plans to bring in part time workers on these schemes if you claim things like tax credits, housing benefit, council tax benefit, sick and disabled people are also to be forced to work for free. Full time workers could find themselves being made redundant as companies exploit free labour replacing paid workers. Help stop these vile schemes now and send those providers and the Government a clear message that WORKFARE MUST NOT BE ALLOWED TO CONTINUE.
 
REMEMBER! there are plans to bring in part time workers on these schemes if you claim things like tax credits, housing benefit, council tax benefit, sick and disabled people are also to be forced to work for free. Full time workers could find themselves being made redundant as companies exploit free labour replacing paid workers. Help stop these vile schemes now and send those providers and the Government a clear message that WORKFARE MUST NOT BE ALLOWED TO CONTINUE.

I concur.

IDS is a evil ******* !
 
OK guys, so while you're all (hopefully) emailing and phoning the YMCA telling them how vile these sick schemes are, here are a couple of websites you might want to check out.

http://www.donotsign.com/

http://consent.me.uk/

Together we will bring down workfare and STOP IDS in his tracks. Don't forget the boycott workfare week of action starting on the 18th March. Visit their site for more info.

http://www.boycottworkfare.org/
 
Having lost his case in court, IDS is now trying to avoid the rule of law by passing emergency legislation to prevent those affected getting the compensation the court has ruled they're entitled to (Link).

I've written to my MP over this.
 
Having lost his case in court, IDS is now trying to avoid the rule of law by passing emergency legislation to prevent those affected getting the compensation the court has ruled they're entitled to (Link).

I've written to my MP over this.

You've missed out the best quote.

A DWP spokesperson said: "This legislation will protect taxpayers and make sure we won't be paying back money to people who didn't do enough to find work."
 
You've missed out the best quote.

A DWP spokesperson said: "This legislation will protect taxpayers and make sure we won't be paying back money to people who didn't do enough to find work."

Why should the taxpayer fund these people? Remember, the state has no money of it's own.

The only fair alternative to the proposed law change would be a clawback from future benefits to ensure the cost is neutral, which would be my preference incidentally as I dont approve of retroactive legislation of any sort.
 
Why should the taxpayer fund these people?

Because the state compensating people is part of what we pay taxes for; there's nothing special about these people being on benefits that makes this different. IDS is the only person to blame for this state of affairs.

The only fair alternative to the proposed law change would be a clawback from future benefits to ensure the cost is neutral, which would be my preference incidentally as I dont approve of retroactive legislation of any sort.

That would be almost as unjust as IDS's original failure.
 
And here is more evidence of Labour's wholesale capitulation to twisted Tory ideology..

Guardian said:
DWP seeks law change to avoid benefit repayments after Poundland ruling

The Department for Work and Pensions has introduced emergency legislation to reverse the outcome of a court of appeal decision and "protect the national economy" from a £130m payout to jobseekers deemed to have been unlawfully punished.

The retroactive legislation, published on Thursday evening and expected to be rushed through parliament on Tuesday, will effectively strike down a decision by three senior judges and deny benefit claimants an average payout of between £530 and £570 each.

Last month the court of appeal ruled that science graduate Cait Reilly and fellow complainant and unemployed lorry driver Jamieson Wilson had been unlawfully made to work unpaid for organisations including Poundland because the DWP had not given jobseekers enough legal information about what they were being made to do.

The ruling meant that hundreds of thousands of jobseekers who had been financially penalised for falling foul of half a dozen employment schemes, including the government's flagship Work Programme, would have been entitled to a full rebate if a final government appeal was rejected by the supreme court.

However, the government has instead published a seven-page jobseekers (back to work schemes) bill to head off a potential multimillion-pound payout and "protect the national economy".

The Guardian understands that Labour will support the fast-tracked bill with some further safeguards and that negotiations with the coalition are ongoing.

[cont]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2013/mar/15/dwp-law-change-jobseekers-poundland

New Labour = Old Tory? Well I never...
 
REMEMBER! there are plans to bring in part time workers on these schemes if you claim things like tax credits, housing benefit, council tax benefit, sick and disabled people are also to be forced to work for free. Full time workers could find themselves being made redundant as companies exploit free labour replacing paid workers. Help stop these vile schemes now and send those providers and the Government a clear message that WORKFARE MUST NOT BE ALLOWED TO CONTINUE.

i'm a skilled worker I cannot be replaced by just anyone... I'm all for this if it reduces the cost of my food... i don't really care about "poor" people in this country since even the poor are much better off than most people in the world....
 
My friends dad has just been told he will be made redundant along with around 20 others from poundland, and the same time they get free workers funded by the taxpayer, this whole thing stinks.
 
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