It costs more to put them all in prison, and why is treatment of mental health issues not possible?
Cardinal: Paedophiles aren't criminals
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It costs more to put them all in prison, and why is treatment of mental health issues not possible?
I imagine a vast number, if not the majority, of inmates have mental health issues. A bit like I imagine many of those who are idle do it for reasons that go beyond "lazy" such as mild anxiety issues or lack of belief in themselves. We could probably treat many of those issues but first we'd need a culture shift away from punishment and towards rehabilitation for that to even be remotly possible.
I beg to differ. I think you have a gross misunderstanding why people do bad things.
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No prison is cheaper, and you cannot cure lunatics.
To clear up two things, as now i go to sleep and will not reply tonight.
I'm not saying to throw everyone with a mental illness in prison, only ones who found guilty of a crime that has such a sentence.
This is not something i would personally do, only what is the best logical decision for the sake of it. Really i don't care what happens to them as long as they are far removed from me.
Edit: You cannot cure mental illness because it does not exist in this context, mental illness is something different. A pedophile is not mentally ill, he just has different tastes. Similar examples to most cases.
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You imagine correct a large percentage of the prison population has what would be considered mental health illnesses and quite specifically ASD. It should come as no shock that people who have a fundamental physiological inability to comprehend empathy and apply it will then struggle to fit into society. Ironically the percentage is around the same as found in "City" workers. Read into that what you will
You imagine correct a large percentage of the prison population has what would be considered mental health illnesses and quite specifically ASD. It should come as no shock that people who have a fundamental physiological inability to comprehend empathy and apply it will then struggle to fit into society. Ironically the percentage is around the same as found in "City" workers. Read into that what you will
Even with those who don't have ASD, I still imagine there are many with issues or that a similar condition is created from their unbrining and lifestyles rather than being born with Autism.
If you watch breaking bad the transformation of WW is interesting because it somewhat parallels real life transformations. From my experience this happens at an age significantly younger than WW, but I have seen it.
You start off with the feeling of a lack of options. You do some things you feel you can justify to get by. You become numb to this, this escalates. Some people find their line, others pull back, some become the guy that knocks.
I know people like this. I don't know how to convince them to be different but I do believe if only they'd have some belief in themselves then many wouldn't feel the need to be the villain and we'd live in a much better country.
We've discussed this on the forum several times. It'll always get shot down by people crying about justice. Unfortunately thats something thats propagated country wide, now ingrained in the sorry state we live in.
Homosexuals are not above any other group of people, i find their acts incredibly offensive, they have to learn just like all other folk to tolerate a certain amount of criticism for their chosen lifestyles and acts. Everyone has different viewpoints on what is right conduct and what is wrong conduct, i personally view homosexuality as wrong conduct and i'm entitled to that worldview and opinion.
What are you on about?, all i said is i see things from my perspective and that both acts are unnatural and contrary to the natural relations between one man and his wife, from my point of view.
Soft norwegian laws in some cases, take brevik for example, this murderer showed no remorse for his actions and made a complete mockery of a justice system, he should have been put to death immediatley.
Breivik was a statistical outlier, one with the same kind of attitude as those in the thread (extreme right wing) - ironically.
You can't say a system which works significantly better than ours is worse because of one example, besides - he was first time offender.
I'd actually argue that most criminals are either mentally ill, or lack empathic development (empathically retarded to coin a phrase).
Peadophiles who act out & cause harm should still be locked up (to protect innocents) - in the same way people with extreme paranoia are when they act out based on their delusions, the difference being you try to fix them & do what's required to reduce the chances of them re-offending.
The problem (as some people have rightly said in this thread) is that 90% of our population goes hysterical the second the phrase "peado" is mentioned - with no thoughts or insight on how to solve the problem, just daily mail style outrage & stupidity.
I'm less concerned with revenge or outrage & more concerned with how we go about finding ways of reduce the amount of children who suffer at the hands of these mentally ill people.
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And that's where it is wrong. You can be a paedophile and not do any of the above outside of your own mind. Will you or I KNOW they are one (short of them telling us)? No but that does not make them less of a paedophile.
Modern society has twisted the meaning of the word into the literal ACT rather than the condition. Doesn't mean they were right to do so and, because of this, many people who recognise they have this condition are too scared to seek help from the right people. Heck, it may even send them to get support from fellow paedophiles whom they envisage can help them which may "normalise" their behaviour and possibly lead them to then act on these urges.
Righteous vengeance eh? Strange how those soft Norwegian laws create one of the most desirable countries and safe countries in the world.
No man made system works really, the state of this debauched world clearly shows this. Brevik knew what he was doing, he bult up a desire in his head and carried out his atrocities upon others, this is what free thinking can lead to.
Not vengeance, justice.
Hes basically just trying to cover up for the centuries where Catholic priests have abused children. Its the common stereotype for Catholic priests (and possibly of other churches) and it holds some merit of sorts. Its probably taken further out of proportion or at least portrayed to be happening more than it actually does but the Catholics are guilty of a hundred evils and child molestation is one of them.
The fact that they want to now sweep things under the rug because they have a new pope is down right disgusting and the sooner the cult dies the better for humanity.
The fact that they want to now sweep things under the rug because they have a new pope is down right disgusting and the sooner the cult dies the better for humanity.
I understand what the guy is trying to say I think, he's saying that peado's are wrong in the head and its more a subconscious thing to be a peado than an actual descision...
Given that over here we give meth to drug addicts perhaps we could work out something for peado's as well lol...
Given that over here we give meth to drug addicts perhaps we could work out something for peado's as well lol...
You stated both acts were unnatural.
That's incorrect, as the age of consent is an arbitrary age set by the modern governments of the world. If you explore the internet you will see in less developed countries, children are still married off to much older men, I would argue that less developed countries are a fairer reflection of natural human behavior than we in the UK are.
men have been sticking it in other men since the beginning of recorded history.
The act of marriage is unnatural, as is monogamy as human beings are not naturally monogamous.
So lets debate with the facts to hand.
No justice is far too complex and multi-faceted than that. You've honed it down to retributive justice and a pretty diabolical perversion of that to which by any other name is called vengeance.
I wholeheartedly agree with the bold. Homosexuals should recieve the same amount of criticism as everyone else for thier choosen lifestyles and acts, and that should be exactly none.
It's none of your ******* business what people get up to with their own bodies on their own homes. I find your views abhorrent. You should feel lucky that same protections homosexuals recieve are the same protections that stop people from standing on your cretinous neck.
You are an awful awful person.
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Nothing solves the problem of humans being ********, otherwise you clearly would not exist. However some methods clearly do a much better job of mitigating it, as showed by the Norwegian system and their reoffending stats. They are quite clearly superior at handling this than we are regardless of whether you include Breivik or not.
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