I don't preach hate, i gave my opinion on a subject.
I don't hate the flesh or human being, i just don't support same sex marriages nor homosexual acts.
I'm not a christian, if you can't take it don't dish it out chap.
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Its teaching you to be intolerant and to punish the love two people show for each other.
Branding them sinners.
Why would anyone want to part of that?
Why would you judge someone because of who they love, rather than on their deeds out side of the bedroom?
Intolerance, hatred, judgmental nonsense.
How would you know what selection bias there was by your own admission you have not examined this in detail. And yes I have more faith in peer-reviewed evidence over anecdotal evidence and musings of a bored mind.
Maybe that is because normal browsing you don't just happen upon these things by popping on here and Amazon and they have to kind of actively searched for. I must admit that since using the internet since 1990 I have never accidentally stumbled on any such issues and the consequently accidentally downloaded a copy for later perusal. Please don't tell me you have not only accidentally come across (no aspersion meant or pun intended on your preferences) such images and accidentally downloaded them - that would be a rather unfortunate series of events ...
Not aware of anyone pushing my buttons. And I am far from Liberal on a number of issues and prefer to examine things on whatever evidence I can find rather than parrot some rhetoric of a certain political slant. I am quite rightwing in many beliefs and leftwing in others.
Well that's a two way street then isn't it.
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FYI - In the eyes of the law, if you happen to come across an image then you are also deemed to have downloaded it as the browser retains it within its cache.
The "making of an image" crime is complete as there is now 1 more version of that image than there was before you went onto the page, accidentally or otherwise.
And are you aware of any time when using the internet that you or anyone else you know has accidentally "happened" across such an image because I have 22 years of usage here without any such problems even back in the day before things were tightened up and you could raid whatever people left around as no one cared about the chmod settings and we all downloaded a certain cookbook and spooled it on the universities printers. And are you aware of any of these mistakes happening a few 1000 times like the cases of people holding the images seem to consist of. Has there ever been a prosecution made on a single image that was accidentally downloaded.
I believe in God and creation. I do not believe God created homosexuals, lesbians, bisexuals, paedophiles, rapists etc etc, from what i observe people are born in sin and with imperfections and tendencies to live a life of wrong conduct, that's if you observe God and the Bible, although i have always seen same sex relationships as unnatural. If you don't then it's going to appear to be normal and right, simple as that really.
You nor others have disproven nor proven anything, you should try and work on your own problems especially with everything coming into existance from nothingness, have fun trying to get the real science on your side with that one chap.
I don't attempt to stop anyone from doing what they choose to do, i'm not trying to judge the individual i am giving my opinion on what i see as wrong conducts and acts.
In your opinion chap.
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Castiel, thanks for that.
Are you joking? Is this the idea of original sin, or am I mistaken? How can something possibly be unnatural if it exists in the world? Just because it doesn't comply with what you think is normal, doesn't make it any less natural.
The creation story found in The Bible has been disproven. Please tell me how this is otherwise? Please answer me this, if you believe that nothing can come into existence from nothing: how did your God come into existence? It's an unanswerable question, and perhaps, therefore, you should examine your own logic.
Fair enough, but that was not how I interpreted what you've said.
Are you joking? Is this the idea of original sin, or am I mistaken? How can something possibly be unnatural if it exists in the world? Just because it doesn't comply with what you think is normal, doesn't make it any less natural.
The creation story found in The Bible has been disproven. Please tell me how this is otherwise? Please answer me this, if you believe that nothing can come into existence from nothing: how did your God come into existence? It's an unanswerable question, and perhaps, therefore, you should examine your own logic.
Fair enough, but that was not how I interpreted what you've said.
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Facts are not opinion, whereas religion is.
I asked you to link the papers you were refering to. The offers still open, I'm willing to bet the papers discuss criminals whom have been caught or convicted of an offense, I'd be suprised if they were able to use anyone else as a data point which would exclude anyone who had such a problem but were managing it.
I thought you were a programmer? Do you understand what the term download means? Go on pornhub, redtube, youporn. You'll occasional see simpsons porn or the like.
You don't need to click on them, your browser will automatically store the thumbnails in your browser cache just in case and you'll have now commited a criminal offense. This is considerbly worse since you'll be considered to have expert knowledge, despite the fact you apparently don't think you've downloaded the image.
Is it really such a "rather unfortunate series of events"? I imagine it's a very common occurance personally.
Let me guess, you've never browsed porn and I'm a deviant for having have done?
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Why because you say so?. Please explain how you managed to disprove Biblical Creation, i think you mean your opinion has disproven it.
Are you serious?, did you mean to say that? that makes zero sense to me. One mans medicine is another mans poison. If you don't believe there is natural and unnatural then there is nothing else to add.
The real science the scientific method tells me quite clearly that our lives are governed by natural laws such as cause and effect, the universe was caused and life was caused, i believe that cause to be God, God is immaterial He is outside of the material world, science does not and cannot support evolution from nothing, in an evolutionary framework and using the real science, how did the universe get to be here? what was its cause?.
What facts?.
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Well you tell me which story of creation it is that you believe in, and I'll tell you why you're wrong. If you're a creationist; well that was BS from the start. Other than that, I can't think of any other creation stories. Let me know which one it is.
Well "natural" is something not caused or made by humans. Gay people aren't made, they just exist. Simple.
As far as I'm concerned, and it's a debatable position, there is no existence outside of the material world. Science does, in fact, support creation from nothing, in some cases. If matter and anti-matter can annihilate, giving no matter at all, one could assume that the process is reversible, and therefore something can come from nothing. The cause was a small, incredibly dense, ball of material, which exploded creating the universe.
Is religion factual? I work only on the provable, not the unprovable.
No, you didn't ask me to link them you actually said you believed that I had more faith in academic research than you do. As I furthered the point that the incidence of re-offending increased then I don't think you would have established good odds to get someone to take that bet ...
I fully understand what download means and I fully understand that streaming services will be duty bound to ensure that their actors/resses are over teh age of consent and give consent or they would face serious problems.
No I have never browsed porn depicting child abuse I suspect like most of the forum. I also suspect like most of the forum I have neither accidentally found it whilst browsing. I take it from your voracious defense here that you have accidentally "downloaded" pictures of actual child abuse being you indicate it is such a common event
or that you know someone who just happened to stumble across it and is completely innocent ... let me also guess your cat got caught outside in the rain and that's why you felt the need to google how to dry a wet pussy and found some rather shocking images. My flippant point being these things don't happen by accident. Or maybe they do but I have yet to see a case or hear of case where that has happened and be shown to be true - maybe you could provide these hard to find cases for me. Until then it's mere conjecture on your part and pretty damning if you ask me.
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Do you believe in the God as portrayed in the Bible? Do you believe that salvation is through Jesus Christ? Do you believe that Christ was the son of God, Do you believe in the resurrection, Do you believe that the Bible is the Inspired and Infallible word of God?
Aye, cheers for proving my point regardless.
And yet the dynamic nature of the web 2.0 where users submit content as opposed to the owners of the site will have it that it doesn't always quite work out like that until a moderator comes along. Thats negating the issue that not all said sites are run within the UK, thus don't feel the need to rush out to follow our local laws.
No I have never browsed porn depicting child abuse I suspect like most of the forum. I also suspect like most of the forum I have neither accidentally found it whilst browsing. I take it from your voracious defense here that you have accidentally "downloaded" pictures of actual child abuse being you indicate it is such a common event
You're a ****. No personal insults.
http://www.switched.com/2009/12/07/accidental-child-porn-download-leads-to-jail-time/
http://blogs.computerworld.com/simpsons_porn - this one was on purpose I suppose, but come on its a freaking cartoon.
http://www.examiner.com/article/por...ndicates-man-accused-of-child-porn-possession
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/09/internet-virus-frames-use_n_350426.html
http://www.tomsguide.com/us/porn-pornography-it-admin,news-7693.html
http://www.geekosystem.com/man-accidentally-child-porn/
http://activepolitic.com:82/News/2012-05-09a/Good_News_New_York_legalizes_child_pornography.html
Such cases aren't super uncommon. There were a few UK specific ones on the register a while back.
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Sorry, I've just seen that you wrote Biblical Creation here.
For one, Biblical Creation, as far as I'm aware, says that the Earth was created in seven days. It says that man was the first creature to inhabit the planet (with the exception of a couple of other animals).
It says that the earth and seas were created within the first seven days of the earth's existence.
I mean, come on, this is all rubbish.
The universe is about 13 billion years old, not the 6,000 that is claimed by creationists. Billions of creatures existed before humans, including dinosaurs, which became extinct before humans even existed.
Anything else you'd like to know?
Your church won't even stand by you on this one. It's stupidity at its finest.
Your point being that evidence will always never be perfect. Of course it won't an no one pretends otherwise but I will always take scientific evidence in peer reviewed articles that acknowledges it design faults over random conjecture and opinion as I have already stated.
Surely then the onus is on exercising some responsibility when dealing with the internet and not placing yourself in the situation in the first place? Every week we have threads about parents leaving kids unsupervised on the internet and how that is bad parenting - purely because the internet is largely uncontrolled and you need to exercise you brain in full knowledge of what you may find there and the potential complications. Let's be clear here you do not accidentally find such images from usual browsing.
Thank you for that attempted slur. That along with the derogatory remarks and the subsequent denial on the other thread along with your attribution of individual actions onto a collective group marks you as quite the individual. Not only is that an attempted slur it is also quite disparaging about the group you so designate with that term - I believe the term you are looking for is "people who have Down's Syndrome" - I neither find that an actual slur because I do not see such people as being lesser than myself although they may have particular educational needs and health needs that I do not need that in no way marks that group for such disparagement.
So the first one: was a bloke who was illegally downloading a pornographic film of unknown content - here's thought if he wanted porn why not buy it - the porn industry is rather well self regulated in the States because they are aware of the problems if they were to let that slide.
And the second link I didn't bother with because I was specifically talking about image depicting actual child abuse not pictorial gratification when in fact the scientific evidence suggest such images may actually reduce offense rates. The other links cover attempted framing of individuals where the true story was found out. If I were to frame you for murder then that is hardly justification to remove murder as an offense it is cause to properly address such actions and maybe open a debate on the naming of such individuals prior to establishment of guilt.
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