Pc graphics. No where near as good as consoles !

ThunderLicker said:
I still don't think it will be enough. More ram and at least a 7950/670 I would imagine, and I still don't think that will play things comfortably depending on what framerates you expect.

I play mostly at 6048x1080 at the moment but I don't expect to be doing that with next gen console ports. I will even be suprised if my machine is capable of holding next gen console ports to 60fps at 1080p, but until they actually launch we won't really know.

Either way paying more for a pc is fine as its a much more complete experience for me. I always used to buy at least one console, this is the first time I'm really not interested in them at all.
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I would say for comparable / better performance in all PS4 games at the same resolution (1080p) with anti aliasing you are probably right....

I would say the following PC would be actually as good or better in every PS4 game in real world usage....

Nvidia GTX660 TI / GTX 670
Intel i5 2500k
8Gb Ram

And that is going to cost more like £800 without a monitor... But I am pretty sure that would beat the PS4 graphics in most games. As had been mentioned before and quoted by some game developers you need a PC about twice as powerfull for better performance in all games. Sometimes you need even more than that if it is a bad port for example GTA4 you need a 4GHZ+ i5/i7 just to run it well on PC.
 
Likewise for me Forza 5 will be the only reason I get the nextbox... But then that would mean getting another Xbox compatible wheel given there's no guarantee current gen wheels will work on the next box, so assuming I stay with fanatec that's already a £600 odd investment just to play Forza which is a bit extreme given I can stick say £300 of that into getting a GPU and then buying literally every decent sim on the market or buying the Oculus Rift when it comes out...
 
Skyfall said:
It's all about the games for me, Killzone PS3 games were superb, as was infamous... Both titles coming for the PS4... Really not sure what the xbox is going to dangle in front of me.
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The Xbox is looking a bit lame if the initial reports are accurate it will be about 30% slower than the PS4...
 
Are we definitely getting a standard 1080p on the new consoles? If not I might be put off... I'm already considering upgrading to 1440p because 1080p isn't doing it for me.
 
NirK said:
Well yes but it is dual core and new games will be optimised for 4 or more cores...

The PS4 will have 8 cores... So you would need a powerfull quad core CPU.
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Is that 8 physical cores or 8 logical cores (hyperthreading)?

I ask cos I just bought me a gaming laptop with the HD7970M, which is a GPU with slightly more horsepower than the AMD GPU which is to be used in the PS4. MY gaming laptop also sports an Ivybridge 2.7 Ghz (3.7Ghz with turboboost) quad core CPU, which as things stand just now, is sh1tloads more powerful than the AMD A10 1.6Ghz 'octocore' type type thing that the PS4 will ship with.

Therefore, I am thinking that perhaps my laptop can remain at pace with mid range gaming for possibly the next ten years, as the bulk of the games are going to be limited by the consoles. However, if games come to be highly optimised for 8 core CPU's, and 8 core means 8 physical cores, then perhaps my laptop will become dated much sooner. If on the otherhand 8 core means 8 logical cores, then the Ivybridge CPUs with hyperthreading enabled are also 'octo core' CPUs (thus my laptop will outdo a PS4 for the duration of its lifespan).
 
NirK said:
I would say the following PC would be actually as good or better in every PS4 game in real world usage....

Nvidia GTX660 TI / GTX 670
Intel i5 2500k
8Gb Ram

And that is going to cost more like £800 without a monitor....
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Case, Corsair 600w PSU, i5-2500k , Motherboard, 8GB DDR3, ATi 7950, 500GB 7200rpm Hdrive, 3200dpi Mouse, gaming keyboard = £668.89

Just missing monitor. :)

With 22/23/24" 1920x1080 = £800.00'ish, yes.
 
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Because developers get better and better at optimizing for consoles as time goes by, because laptops never last 10 years, they're not built to, and because people leave old formats behind in terms of driver support etc. My 5870 is ancient in PC terms and that's 3 and a half years old. The worst level of minimum spec you see nowadays is generally an 8400card or similar and that's 6 years old and won't really run anything realistically.
 
NirK said:
It is getting quite boring now : A PC WITH IDENTICAL SPECS TO A PS4 WILL NOT BE AS FAST AS A PS4 FOR GAMING.
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Based on what? takes the devs along time before they start squeezing out the perfomance..
look at the early ps3 and xbox 360 games :rolleyes:

If anything pc games will look better and run better with a similar spec pc...

ps4 is not using a 7850 FFS its using a gpu between a 7850 and some other lesser GPU and its also not clocked as fast as a 7850. the amd octo core cpu in the ps4 will be downclocked a lot aswell.

it will also take console devs that avoided pc games along time to get their head around multicore
 
NirK said:
This...
10 years is a bit optimistic lol... Maybe 5 if you ar elucky.. Depends what you find acceptable for FPS and graphics.
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still using a
amd x6 1055t
8gb ram (did upgrade from 4gb)
7850 (upgraded from a 460gtx when the 7850s came out)
and added a SSD last year
still running games on max settings with acceptable fps

I can run pcars easy enough with ingame downsampling set to 2x and manually downsampling at the same time from 2560x res to 1920x1080 and thats probably got the best graphics of any pc game so far.

you don't need to spend a fortune for a good pcgaming rig anymore and you don't have to upgrade very often now either like in the old days when you had to fully upgrade every 1-2years
 
Not sure what your point is as you've said you've upgraded, plus this does not sound like a laptop and those components are not 5 or 10 years old...
 
I have Q6600 and 5870 still which is showing its age a bit now although it still runs most games pretty well... Looks like I will need an upgrade soon but I dont have any money :(
 
arknor said:
Based on what? takes the devs along time before they start squeezing out the perfomance..
look at the early ps3 and xbox 360 games :rolleyes:

If anything pc games will look better and run better with a similar spec pc...

ps4 is not using a 7850 FFS its using a gpu between a 7850 and some other lesser GPU and its also not clocked as fast as a 7850. the amd octo core cpu in the ps4 will be downclocked a lot aswell.

it will also take console devs that avoided pc games along time to get their head around multicore
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Go and read about PC hardware compared to consoles on Google or something I am not typing it again but I can assure you I am right lol.

Personally if I owned your PC I would not be too optimistic about running all PS4 games on it at good FPS and graphics settings... I think it is called "wishfull thinking"
 
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arknor said:
you don't need to spend a fortune for a good pcgaming rig anymore and you don't have to upgrade very often now either like in the old days when you had to fully upgrade every 1-2years
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You are saying "anymore" which is true at present and has been for the last few years because the Xbox 360 and PS3 are holding back PC gaming....

In a year when the PS4 and new Xbox are out then your PC will no longer run games and you will need to upgrade...
 
I think it's called realism.
You think ps4 graphics are going to jump ahead of pc focused games we have now like pcars? if anything they will only be as good and I can run games like that fine at resolutions the ps4 won't be doing.
ps4 is pretty much a pc in a box, the ps3 wasn't.

if the devs bother to do a proper pc port they will run fine or maybe like EA with BF4 the pc will be the lead platform anyway

In a year when the PS4 and new Xbox are out then your PC will no longer run games and you will need to upgrade...
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Y2K bug going to strike?
 
It really is quite obvious, most games are currently made for consoles and then ported to PC as consoles are the most profitable for developers... This means they are designed for the lowest format eg. Xbox360 and then maybe a few tweaks added to the PC versions... So they are easy for PC's to run and have been for the last 5 years.... probably 80% of games are designed primarily for consoles then ported to PC.... A handfull of games such as Metro2033 or BF3 are actually designed primarily for PC.... When the lowest format is the PS4 which has FAR more resources compared to an Xbox 360 then things will be a lot different. I guarantee you will have to upgrade your 7850 to run PS4 games at max settings on PC in a few years.
 
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in a few years sure not when the ps4 comes out
7850 will not be far from a 2year old card by tie the ps4 comes out so will have about lasted as long as expected anyway and it was only ever a cheap mid range card , you can pick them up for next to nothing now 2nd hand
 
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