You thoughts on my new motor BMW 320d Msport

rossk26 said:
Anyway I learnt him a lesson the other day
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It wasn't an English lesson then?

rossk26 said:
he was looking at Audi A4 Avant TDI's and I found him a newer, less mileage A6 Avant petrol. And proved he could never recoup the price difference in fuel savings, of which would be completely redundant once the TDI throws up a repair bill
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What petrol? If you say 2.0TFSI then no, just no. They are almost as complex as the 4-pot diesels, and have almost as many shortcomings (DPF aside). Mine threw up a £2000 bill.
 
Shocking how German cars are known for being unreliable now, What happened. ? :(

Car in the OP looks nice enough but it's a Diesel so Fails in every way especially when you're talking about 50 miles a day.
 
paradigm said:
What petrol? If you say 2.0TFSI then no, just no. They are almost as complex as the 4-pot diesels, and have almost as many shortcomings (DPF aside). Mine threw up a £2000 bill.
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I'm starting to think you just enjoy arguing with me?

You only said this 5 months ago...

paradigm said:
The 2.0TFSI in my A6 is a lot smoother than the 1.8T in my Leon, and more fuel efficient. It's been utterly reliable in the 14k or so miles I've done in it so far, and hasn't shown any signs of throwing up any problems, and unlike the 1.8T it doesn't seem to play EML bingo for fun.

In short it's a smooth and relatively frugal engine (especially considering it's lugging round a giant, heavy, A6 estate), with a pretty decent reliability record.
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And this...

paradigm said:
FWIW, my 2.0 TFSI has 133,000 miles on it, and according to Audi there is nothing wrong with it at all (car has been serviced on the button and maintained regardless of cost so far, although that has been things like fuel filler pipe, middle brake light, and regular service items).

Mine has had to have one single top up of oil during my ownership, but it doesn't appear to be drinking it at all, certainly less than 1l per 15,000 miles. It's had no engine work done (outside of regular service items).
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Correct, then it threw up a bill, a large one, that involved taking the sump off and a lot of the gubbins in the bottom end of the engine, just to get to the chain driven oil pump.

It's a relatively nice and smooth engine with a nice linear power delivery, but it's not something I'd recommend outside of a decent warranty (now, until that point I'd been lucky), my mind has changed throughout my ownership.

Not that I'm recommending the older higher-mileage diesel either, as a cost saving exercise, neither are a great buy. If you want one however, then go into it with your eyes open, and be prepared for bills.
 
paradigm said:
Correct, then it threw up a bill, a large one, that involved taking the sump off and a lot of the gubbins in the bottom end of the engine, just to get to the chain driven oil pump.

It's a relatively nice and smooth engine with a nice linear power delivery, but it's not something I'd recommend outside of a decent warranty (now, until that point I'd been lucky), my mind has changed throughout my ownership.

Not that I'm recommending the older higher-mileage diesel either, as a cost saving exercise, neither are a great buy. If you want one however, then go into it with your eyes open, and be prepared for bills.
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But you got 133k miles before it threw up any kind of a large bill. What were you expecting? You should hardly be telling people "no, no, just no" with that kind of history of reliability...

I can quote many others in that thread who have had the same engine, and have no reports of problems, someone who has covered 85k miles without problem.

That hole your digging, just got bigger.
 
What hole? I'm saying that it's not a car to use to argue against the purchase and running costs of a similar diesel. This is true.

I'm also not the first (nor the last) person to have oil pump (or pickup) problems on the 2.0TFSI, neither is it constrained to cars that have covered >100,000 miles.

I'm not saying not to buy one, I'm saying you didn't "learn someone a lesson" by using a 2.0TFSI A6 Avant to argue that buying a 2.0TDI A4 is a potentially bad idea.
 
paradigm said:
I'm not saying not to buy one, I'm saying you didn't "learn someone a lesson" by using a 2.0TFSI A6 Avant to argue that buying a 2.0TDI A4 is a potentially bad idea.
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But I did, I proved you can get a newer, less mileage, better spec, larger vehicle for the same, if not even less than a higher mileage, lower spec, smaller car. He was focussed on MPGzz and road tax, yet failed to establish the premium a diesel motor brings. And I'm fairly sure (I've actually been advised on this very forum before), that a 2.0 TFSI is more reliable than a 2.0 TDI?

No?
 
My point isn't that you won't get a better specced, lower mileage petrol A6 compared to diesel A4 (that much is obvious), my argument is against the whole wiping out potential savings with one repair bill.

rossk26 said:
which would be completely redundant once the TDI throws up a repair bill
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The 2.0TFSI has almost (not quite the same, but almost) the same potential for throwing up exceedingly large bills. Yes, it's slightly more reliable, but not so much that it's worth arguing one over the other on reliability alone.

If the 2.0TFSI throws up a large bill (which is quite probable), it not only cost you more to run day to day, it also cost you in maintenance.
 
paradigm said:
My point isn't that you won't get a better specced, lower mileage petrol A6 compared to diesel A4 (that much is obvious), my argument is against the whole wiping out potential savings with one repair bill.



The 2.0TFSI has almost (not quite the same, but almost) the same potential for throwing up exceedingly large bills. Yes, it's slightly more reliable, but not so much that it's worth arguing one over the other on reliability alone.

If the 2.0TFSI throws up a large bill (which is quite probable), it not only cost you more to run day to day, it also cost you in maintenance.
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The logic that has been given when anyone starts a thread on here mentioning they are looking at a Audi 2.0TDI, is "no get the 2.0TFSI."

What's the point then? They are both going to throw up bills, so may as well get the TDI so you can at least save on fuel which will go towards paying for those upcoming bills...
 
Depending on your usage profile, yes. Obviously if you are doing low mileage and have a usage cycle that will accelerate DPF failure, then the 2.0TFSI is the logical choice.

That said, if you are doing such a low mileage that the fuel costs are insignificant (compared to purchase costs anyway), I think I'd go for a naturally aspirated petrol (so a V6 in VAG land). The problem here is that they are becoming rare :(
 
I really don't know where Fox shops for his tyres, unless he's tongue in cheek, but 4 tyres for that (even as RFTs) can be had for a shade around £900
 
Django x2 said:
I really don't know where Fox shops for his tyres, unless he's tongue in cheek, but 4 tyres for that (even as RFTs) can be had for a shade around £900
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I think the point is, he bought a BMW to reduce running costs compared to his S3.

A full set of tyres for an S3 can be had for just over £400 (Continental CS5's), that is more than half the price of the BMW tyres...

= false economy
 
Not at the time, however the lad who bought it (technician at Macclesfield Audi) did so hoping it was a pickup problem. He had to replace the pump.
 
paradigm said:
Not at the time, however the lad who bought it (technician at Macclesfield Audi) did so hoping it was a pickup problem. He had to replace the pump.
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Macclesfield Audi aren't really getting a good name are they!!

Especially when their "technicians" hope for things, rather than diagnosing the problem in the first place
 
paradigm said:
It's a relatively nice and smooth engine with a nice linear power delivery, but it's not something I'd recommend outside of a decent warranty (now, until that point I'd been lucky), my mind has changed throughout my ownership.
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Is this not the car you are in the national press extolling the virtues of? :p
 
rossk26 said:
Macclesfield Audi aren't really getting a good name are they!!

Especially when their "technicians" hope for things, rather than diagnosing the problem in the first place
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I told them not to. Seeing their figures for 2.0TFSIs that had been in for oil pickup replacement and ended up needing pumps, I decided that the odds were in favour of it needing a pump.

To diagnose between the pickup and the pump would have involved most of the labour costs of replacing the pump anyway, so I decided to go with my gut. Turned out to be the right decision.

I guess the lad bought it cheap, hoping for it to be a simple fix, he'll only have had to pay trade part prices anyway, as he did the work during his own time using Audi's workshop/equipment.

[TW]Fox;23972330 said:
Is this not the car you are in the national press extolling the virtues of? :p
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Opinions can (and do) change. At the time of the article, I was fully willing to backup what I had said.
 
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