The Budget 2013 - 12:30

Mr Jack · 20 Mar 2013 at 19:23

Well, positive moves on Beer Tax, Income Tax threshold, and child care.

The budget as the whole is yet another failure. Osbourne continues to cling to a failed policy and now plans on trying to put fire into the housing market to drag the economy upwards despite the fact that house prices remain too high.

It remains to be seen whether the OBR's meagre prediction on growth will be met. They've really not been convincing so far. Even if they are, it merely highlights how bad Osbourne has been.

When have we ever had a chancellor worse than George?

Theophany · 20 Mar 2013 at 19:23

Biohazard said:
Which debate?

There are several cited within the article.

Independence vs. the Union.

Biohazard · 20 Mar 2013 at 19:25

Theophany said:
Independence vs. the Union.

Hmmm.

Deleted member 77746 · 20 Mar 2013 at 19:26

I did my calculations and according to the BBC website I will be £238 better off 2013/2014.

scorza · 20 Mar 2013 at 19:29

Mr Jack said:
When have we ever had a chancellor worse than George?

Anthony Barber maybe? At least his plans worked though, it was just the unintended consequences that dragged him down.

Theophany · 20 Mar 2013 at 19:30

Biohazard said:
Hmmm.

Enlightening.

do_ron_ron · 20 Mar 2013 at 20:18

SDK^ said:
Children develop by interacting with other people, be it adults or other children. Keeping them with one carer/parent all the time is not the best way to bring them up.

I was not suggesting the child does not need to interact with others. I was referring to bringing the child up by a parent rather than being one of many in a crèche for 8 or more hours. There will be few mothers with young children who do not have access to mother and child groups or similar.

You have to be qualified to look after children, it's not a free for all for everyone on benefits to get involved

As we have seen from various TV progs that may be the ideal but is not necessarily the case. A mother will have more interaction with a child than a child in a crèche would get, apart from the above groups were there will be many mothers for fewer children.

Also, my £1300 a month child care payments support many jobs.

It is your choice not to look after your child for a large part of his/her waking day.

SDK^ · 20 Mar 2013 at 20:33

do_ron_ron said:
It is your choice not to look after your child for a large part of his/her waking day.

Well the only other choice is to not work and claim benefits - which would cost the Government more money, in lost tax at 40% rate.

:: edit ::

I currently only save £50 a month on tax through childcare vouchers at work. So your argument to not work to save the Government money doesn't stack up.

merlin · 20 Mar 2013 at 20:48

SDK^ said:
Children develop by interacting with other people, be it adults or other children. Keeping them with one carer/parent all the time is not the best way to bring them up.
You have to be qualified to look after children, it's not a free for all for everyone on benefits to get involved

Also, my £1300 a month child care payments support many jobs.

Jesus, how many kids do you have?

Biohazard · 20 Mar 2013 at 20:50

Theophany said:
Enlightening.

Well I'd rather you get to the point rather than asking pointless questions.

SDK^ · 20 Mar 2013 at 20:56

merlin said:
Jesus, how many kids do you have?

One
£65 per day childcare costs

Theophany · 20 Mar 2013 at 20:58

Biohazard said:
Well I'd rather you get to the point rather than asking pointless questions.

Excuse me?

merlin · 20 Mar 2013 at 20:59

SDK^ said:
One

Do they let you have your child back every other weekend then or what?

do_ron_ron · 20 Mar 2013 at 20:59

SDK^ said:
Well the only other choice is to not work and claim benefits - which would cost the Government more money, in lost tax at 40% rate.

:: edit ::

I currently only save £50 a month on tax through childcare vouchers at work. So your argument to not work to save the Government money doesn't stack up.

As I said in my original post someone else out of work will be employed and their benefits will cease to be paid which depending on the circumstances may save.

A parent is crucial for the socialisation and disciplining of the child. In a crèche situation these workers have to be ultra careful of not being construed to harm the child in any way. It is difficult enough for professionals like teachers or social workers.

Biohazard · 20 Mar 2013 at 21:03

Theophany said:
Excuse me?

You are excused.

SDK^ · 20 Mar 2013 at 21:03

do_ron_ron said:
As I said in my original post someone else out of work will be employed and their benefits will cease to be paid which depending on the circumstances may save. .

I like your assumption that someone on benefits could walk into my job

Theophany · 20 Mar 2013 at 21:05

Biohazard said:
You are excused.

I asked you a question. If you've no interest in answering, don't. I can't say I'm entirely sure why you feel the need to be a dick about it.

PMKeates · 20 Mar 2013 at 21:06

Theophany said:
I asked you a question. If you've no interest in answering, don't. I can't say I'm entirely sure why you feel the need to be a dick about it.

It's a theme.

Biohazard · 20 Mar 2013 at 21:07

Theophany said:
I asked you a question. If you've no interest in answering, don't. I can't say I'm entirely sure why you feel the need to be a dick about it.

I would have thought it pretty obvious, I know you to be a follower of Thatcherism.

Is it too much to expect you'd have picked some idea of my position since your entrance and involvement in debates?

RDM · 20 Mar 2013 at 21:07

do_ron_ron said:
A parent is crucial for the socialisation and disciplining of the child.

Crucial? So without a stay at home parent a child will have poor social skills and ill discipline?